Is the Civil Rights movement what turned the South Republican for 50 years..

Jarod said:
The majority of the Southern Democrats pre Civil rights movement were racist. That's why the majorities were almost always in the Democrat camp. That majority left the Democratic party, and after that the republicans mostly got that majority.
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That's a lie; please post something credible to support that lie.
 
Jarod said:
That trend proves my point.
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No it does not; your claim is that as a result of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Democrats changed party to Republicans. But this simply did not happen NOR did Republicans have a LOT of support in the South for decades afterwards as evidenced by the amount of time Democrats dominated Southern legislatures, Governorships and the Congress.

So again, you are full of shit. But this is par for dishonest hyper partisan fools who glom onto DNC talking points like gullible sheep.
 
maineman said:
Republican version of reality: ALL those white voters that overwhelmingly kept the Jim Crow folks in power for all those years just all of a sudden became colorblind, bigotry hating, kumbaya singing republicans in the blink of an eye. The south went from solid blue to dead red in the course of few election cycles.... the blacks who USED to vote republican had switched and started voting democrat, so.... I wonder where, exactly, all those republican votes came from? If all the "racist whites" kept voting democratic and all the blacks were voting democratic.... yet the republicans somehow sweep to power throughout the south.... and Phillips is lying about the southern strategy.... and Mehlman apologized for something that never happened. Whoda thunk it?
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crazy shit.
 
Truth Detector said:
No it does not; your claim is that as a result of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Democrats changed party to Republicans. But this simply did not happen NOR did Republicans have a LOT of support in the South for decades afterwards as evidenced by the amount of time Democrats dominated Southern legislatures, Governorships and the Congress.

So again, you are full of shit. But this is par for dishonest hyper partisan fools who glom onto DNC talking points like gullible sheep.
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It fits my point perfectly. Sorry you are wrong.
 
Originally Posted by maineman

Republican version of reality: ALL those white voters that overwhelmingly kept the Jim Crow folks in power for all those years just all of a sudden became colorblind, bigotry hating, kumbaya singing republicans in the blink of an eye. The south went from solid blue to dead red in the course of few election cycles.... the blacks who USED to vote republican had switched and started voting democrat, so.... I wonder where, exactly, all those republican votes came from? If all the "racist whites" kept voting democratic and all the blacks were voting democratic.... yet the republicans somehow sweep to power throughout the south.... and Phillips is lying about the southern strategy.... and Mehlman apologized for something that never happened. Whoda thunk it?
maineman said:
crazy shit.
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Your version of any debate is crazy shit; you're a dishonest dunce.
 
can you address the points here instead of running away from them?

Republican version of reality: ALL those white voters that overwhelmingly kept the Jim Crow folks in power for all those years just all of a sudden became colorblind, bigotry hating, kumbaya singing republicans in the blink of an eye. The south went from solid blue to dead red in the course of few election cycles.... the blacks who USED to vote republican had switched and started voting democrat, so.... I wonder where, exactly, all those republican votes came from? If all the "racist whites" kept voting democratic and all the blacks were voting democratic.... yet the republicans somehow sweep to power throughout the south.... and Phillips is lying about the southern strategy.... and Mehlman apologized for something that never happened. Whoda thunk it?
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How do you explain that Jim Crow was the law of the land until Congress crammed the CRA down the south's throat... and then, in the course of a few election cycles, congressional representation in the south goes from nearly solid blue to dead red? All those folks down south who used to support Jim Crow, just up and decided to start voting for the party that was most responsible for passing the CRA in the first place? Why would they do that? Is Phillips lying about the southern strategy? What did Mehlman have to apologize for? Simple questions.
 
maineman said:
can you address the points here instead of running away from them?

How do you explain that Jim Crow was the law of the land until Congress crammed the CRA down the south's throat... and then, in the course of a few election cycles, congressional representation in the south goes from nearly solid blue to dead red? All those folks down south who used to support Jim Crow, just up and decided to start voting for the party that was most responsible for passing the CRA in the first place? Why would they do that? Is Phillips lying about the southern strategy? What did Mehlman have to apologize for? Simple questions.
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Your story is a fabrication; a figment of the Liberal mind. Please post something that factually supports the fantasy you describe above and we'll have that debate.

Particularly the claim that within a few electon cycles after the CRA was passed the South turned Red.

Put up or please shut the fuck up.
 
maineman said:
can you address the points here instead of running away from them?



How do you explain that Jim Crow was the law of the land until Congress crammed the CRA down the south's throat... and then, in the course of a few election cycles, congressional representation in the south goes from nearly solid blue to dead red? All those folks down south who used to support Jim Crow, just up and decided to start voting for the party that was most responsible for passing the CRA in the first place? Why would they do that? Is Phillips lying about the southern strategy? What did Mehlman have to apologize for? Simple questions.
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odd.....I remember answering that the last time some idiot raised it....oh wait, that was you wasn't it?......
 
Truth Detector said:
Your story is a fabrication; a figment of the Liberal mind. Please post something that factually supports the fantasy you describe above and we'll have that debate.

Particularly the claim that within a few electon cycles after the CRA was passed the South turned Red.

Put up or please shut the fuck up.
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when you address my questions about Phillips and Mehlman....

I won't hold my breath.
 
maineman said:
How do you explain that Jim Crow was the law of the land until Congress crammed the CRA down the south's throat... and then, in the course of a few election cycles, congressional representation in the south goes from nearly solid blue to dead red?
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How do you explain otherwise liberal icons opposing the civil rights act, and continuing to remain liberal icons for many years afterwards, and not being replaced by the red wave?: Robert Byrd, Fritz Hollings, Claude Pepper, Al Gore Sr., etc.
 
Semen Maineman isn't holding up very well. My guess is it is from years of having his head pushed into the bulkhead while being pounded by his petty officer
 
Taft2016 said:
How do you explain otherwise liberal icons opposing the civil rights act, and continuing to remain liberal icons for many years afterwards, and not being replaced by the red wave?: Robert Byrd, Fritz Hollings, Claude Pepper, Al Gore Sr., etc.
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they were clearly the exception to the rule.... they had lots of seniority and congressional clout and were extremely popular locally, despite their party identification. Byrd seemed to renounce his racist past.... Hollings supported many civil rights bills later in his career and was much more friendly to civil rights issues than the republican senator from that state...Claude Pepper changed his stripes early on and was one of the first inductees into the Florida Civil Rights Hall of Fame.... Gore only lasted one more term after the CRA... he was fairly moderate on civil rights issues in the wake of the CRA, he refused to sign the southern manifesto in '56, and was, in fact, one of the key targets of Nixon's southern strategy in 1970. The south is nearly solid red now... and it has been red for quite some time. The people didn't all of a sudden have this epiphany where they all started believing that black people were just as good as white people. And all the black people in the south are voting for the democrats now... so the GOP needs to get nearly ALL those former KKK-types to vote for them in order to accomplish that shift. They are every bit as racist down south now as they were in 1964 - or damn near so - and they all vote republican now. To suggest that, after the CRA, that whites all of a sudden woke up from a dream and got angry at the nasty democrats for making them believe that Jim Crow was a good idea and then switching parties to the totally color blind republican party because of said epiphany is laughable.
 
maineman said:
And all the black people in the south are voting for the democrats now... .
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Your logical gymnastics aside....

In 1982 George Wallace won the black vote in the Alabama gubernatorial race. That's where the blind racial loyalty got underway.

The real question becomes; should a party that reaps 90% + of a single race be calling any other party "racist"?
 
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