It's Really Bad Now.

[Saudade]

Eventually we all age and healthcare becomes a bigger part of our lives. So yeah, in a person's younger years, it might not seem as necessarily, but it will be eventually. And part of living in a society is paying for things we don't directly use. If you don't have a car, you still pay for roads and bridges. If you don't have kids, you still pay for schools. But no matter your situation, you still benefit from these things.

The current system already spends a lot on healthcare for the old and poor.

Which is yet another reason we should stop being the world's police, fighting endless wars for Israel, and wasting so much money on the military industrial complex.
By the way, one of the reasons the Right and even many Centrists are against universal healthcare is because they want to keep funding the military the way we are now. They also want to keep people poor, since that drives enlistment.

I can support reducing interventionism and the military, but that's going to have to happen before we can really afford a socialized medical system that serves the whole population.

Which is why a standard handgun would be the most fair compromise. You can't hit a guy with six tries, well that's just natural selection.

If you're referring to revolvers, those can compete with semiauto pistols, but most semiauto pistols hold a lot more than 6 rounds. You might call this hypothetical "natural selection", but you're still giving the advantage to a criminal that is able to get a semiauto pistol.

Yeah, since this is fairly new, we're still learning about it.
The link you included seems to be a special case, as the woman took it because she got her period early, which is very rare. To say it shouldn't be given to kids with gender dysphoria, we'd have to consider a lot of other factors, like how much is used, what role did this woman's unique genetics play, and so on.

Sure, there are a myriad of factors, but we already know that transitioning leads to various long term illnesses. It would logically make sense that the hormone blockers would also have some. In other contexts, these chemicals are referred to as endocrine disruptors. We know what said chemicals can do to adults. It isn't pretty.

 

[StoneByStone]

The current system already spends a lot on healthcare for the old and poor.

I can support reducing interventionism and the military, but that's going to have to happen before we can really afford a socialized medical system that serves the whole population.

It does, but it's not nearly as affordable for the working-class as it is in Social Democratic countries.

This is why Bernie would probably be the best choice now. Buttigieg and Biden are Zionist war-mongers, so they probably won't change much there.

If you're referring to revolvers, those can compete with semiauto pistols, but most semiauto pistols hold a lot more than 6 rounds. You might call this hypothetical "natural selection", but you're still giving the advantage to a criminal that is able to get a semiauto pistol.

Chances are, you're never going to be in a situation where you and a criminal are emptying all your chambers against each other. Like if that happened, you'd both be dead pretty quickly.

Sure, there are a myriad of factors, but we already know that transitioning leads to various long term illnesses. It would logically make sense that the hormone blockers would also have some. In other contexts, these chemicals are referred to as endocrine disruptors. We know what said chemicals can do to adults. It isn't pretty.

As far as I know, virtually everyone is still against allowing children to transition, but like I showed before, transgender people are usually happier after transitioning. The cases where they're less happy are exceptions. And there are exceptions with every treatment.

 

[Saudade]

It does, but it's not nearly as affordable for the working-class as it is in Social Democratic countries.

This is why Bernie would probably be the best choice now. Buttigieg and Biden are Zionist war-mongers, so they probably won't change much there.

I strongly disagree with a lot of Bernie's policies, but yes, he is less interventionist than the others.

Chances are, you're never going to be in a situation where you and a criminal are emptying all your chambers against each other. Like if that happened, you'd both be dead pretty quickly.

That depends on the distance between you and the criminal. There are quite a few shootouts between cops and criminals where they go through a few magazines before either one hits the other.

Now, in a home invasion, the distance is typically short enough that whoever gets the first shot will often be the survivor.

Having more than 6 shots available has definitely helped some "good guys with guns" against mass shooters.

As far as I know, virtually everyone is still against allowing children to transition, but like I showed before, transgender people are usually happier after transitioning. The cases where they're less happy are exceptions. And there are exceptions with every treatment.

Possibly, but we were talking about long term health effects, not happiness. Also, there is no appreciable difference in the suicide rate with or without transitioning. Transgender individuals often are depressive, so suicide is significantly more common for them in general.

 

[StoneByStone]

That depends on the distance between you and the criminal. There are quite a few shootouts between cops and criminals where they go through a few magazines before either one hits the other.

Now, in a home invasion, the distance is typically short enough that whoever gets the first shot will often be the survivor.

Having more than 6 shots available has definitely helped some "good guys with guns" against mass shooters.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, which is why I think the police should have much looser restrictions with the guns they can use.

Possibly, but we were talking about long term health effects, not happiness. Also, there is no appreciable difference in the suicide rate with or without transitioning. Transgender individuals often are depressive, so suicide is significantly more common for them in general.

As of now, the studies show that puberty blockers don't cause long term health effects, at least for the average person.

Transitioning actually does reduce the chances of suicide. And hopefully, as we learn more about gender dysphoria and the trans experience, we'll find more ways to get the depression and suicide rates down.
This is why I consider people like Jordan Peterson to be dangerous for the LGBT crowd. Instead of the conversation being about how to help these people, we're putting that conversation on hold so we can try to justify helping trans people and explain why doing so isn't Cultural Marxism.

 

[Scut Farkus]

Now, in a home invasion, the distance is typically short enough that whoever gets the first shot will often be the survivor.

Having more than 6 shots available has definitely helped some "good guys with guns" against mass shooters.

Yeah, which is why I think the police should have much looser restrictions with the guns they can use.




As of now, the studies show that puberty blockers don't cause long term health effects, at least for the average person.

Transitioning actually does reduce the chances of suicide. And hopefully, as we learn more about gender dysphoria and the trans experience, we'll find more ways to get the depression and suicide rates down.
This is why I consider people like Jordan Peterson to be dangerous for the LGBT crowd. Instead of the conversation being about how to help these people, we're putting that conversation on hold so we can try to justify helping trans people and explain why doing so isn't Cultural Marxism.[/QUOTE]

it is marxism. because it's the blank slate theory which posits that all human facets are infinitely malleable, which is a totalitarian fever dream, having no basis in science.

jordan peterson is dangerous for your pet idiotic notions.

 

[StoneByStone]

it is marxism. because it's the blank slate theory which posits that all human facets are infinitely malleable, which is a totalitarian fever dream, having no basis in science.

jordan peterson is dangerous for your pet idiotic notions.

It's literally the opposite. It's saying that people are trans because of genetics. That's the opposite of the blank slate theory. And there is no such thing as Cultural Marxism.

 

[Scut Farkus]

It's literally the opposite. It's saying that people are trans because of genetics. That's the opposite of the blank slate theory. And there is no such thing as Cultural Marxism.

ok. stupid person.

 

[StoneByStone]

ok. stupid person.

That's not nice.

 

[Saudade]

Yeah, which is why I think the police should have much looser restrictions with the guns they can use.

I think the current system is just fine regarding that. There is no logical reason to remove semiauto weapons from the citizenry, unless your goal is to eventually disarm the people altogether.

As of now, the studies show that puberty blockers don't cause long term health effects, at least for the average person.

Transitioning actually does reduce the chances of suicide. And hopefully, as we learn more about gender dysphoria and the trans experience, we'll find more ways to get the depression and suicide rates down.
This is why I consider people like Jordan Peterson to be dangerous for the LGBT crowd. Instead of the conversation being about how to help these people, we're putting that conversation on hold so we can try to justify helping trans people and explain why doing so isn't Cultural Marxism.

If that's your understanding of Jordan Peterson, you haven't read anything by him or listened to his speeches.

He doesn't have anything against trans people in general. He does have something against compelled speech by the state.

 

[StoneByStone]

If that's your understanding of Jordan Peterson, you haven't read anything by him or listened to his speeches.

He doesn't have anything against trans people in general. He does have something against compelled speech by the state.

See, that's what I mean. There is no compelled speech by the Canadian government. The fact that he regularly misgenders people, and hasn't been arrested, shows that.
Peterson promotes the Cultural Marxist conspiracy theory, which is a reoccurring theme in his speeches. His lies about it being illegal to misgender people is part of that narrative.

 

[Saudade]

See, that's what I mean. There is no compelled speech by the Canadian government. The fact that he regularly misgenders people, and hasn't been arrested, shows that.
Peterson promotes the Cultural Marxist conspiracy theory, which is a reoccurring theme in his speeches. His lies about it being illegal to misgender people is part of that narrative.

Cultural Marxism is a lot more than just a conspiracy theory. And compelled speech is certainly in place in the UK.

Until the court finally deferred the related case, Canada had an issue with some trans woman named Jessica Yaniv that was trying to force various salons to "wax her balls". When they refused, "she" tried to sue them. So while that isn't compelled speech, it is compelling businesses to succumb to sheer lunacy.

Intersectionality is a component of Cultural Marxism, and it defines the left at this point.

 

[StoneByStone]

Cultural Marxism is a lot more than just a conspiracy theory. And compelled speech is certainly in place in the UK.

It's not that there is compelled speech, it's that there are things they can't say. Hate speech is illegal, but nobody is forced to talk positively about things.

Until the court finally deferred the related case, Canada had an issue with some trans woman named Jessica Yaniv that was trying to force various salons to "wax her balls". When they refused, "she" tried to sue them. So while that isn't compelled speech, it is compelling businesses to succumb to sheer lunacy.

So personally, I think that a business should be allowed to refuse any customer for whatever reason they want. But in most Western countries, it's illegal to refuse service to people based on things like race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and age (as long as legally an adult). So this case wasn't about the Cultural Marxists forcing us all to bow down before trans people. It was a case about discrimination in a country that doesn't allow discrimination.

Intersectionality is a component of Cultural Marxism, and it defines the left at this point.

There's no such thing as Cultural Marxism. Germany is one of the most left-wing countries in the world, it's the birthplace of Karl Marx, and Communism is totally dead there. Germany's two biggest Marxist political parties are the DKP and the KABD. Neither party ever gets more than 1% of the vote.

 

[Saudade]

It's not that there is compelled speech, it's that there are things they can't say. Hate speech is illegal, but nobody is forced to talk positively about things.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-49904997

Defining "misgendering" as hate speech is compelled pronouns. They essentially have thought crimes at this point.

So personally, I think that a business should be allowed to refuse any customer for whatever reason they want. But in most Western countries, it's illegal to refuse service to people based on things like race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and age (as long as legally an adult). So this case wasn't about the Cultural Marxists forcing us all to bow down before trans people. It was a case about discrimination in a country that doesn't allow discrimination.

Western societies do allow discrimination, just not discrimination against protected groups. But if the law creates a situation where someone with male genitalia is supposed to be serviced the same way as someone with female genitalia in a business that is only intended for someone with a female body, then we're talking about lunacy. That's what Yaniv effectively showed us.

In short, it's time to go back to the freedom of association. Including gender identity in anti-discriminatory law has become a liability that can and will lead to all sorts of idiocy. We've already seen it ruin women's sports.

There's no such thing as Cultural Marxism. Germany is one of the most left-wing countries in the world, it's the birthplace of Karl Marx, and Communism is totally dead there. Germany's two biggest Marxist political parties are the DKP and the KABD. Neither party ever gets more than 1% of the vote.

I wouldn't say it's dead there, but there are plenty of other nations with more of a Marxist presence. You see more of it in Spain and in parts of Latin America. There are also pockets of it in Asia.

That's beside the point, however. Cultural Marxism has more in common with modern progressivism than with Stalinism, Maoism, or Trotskyism. Intersectionality is the most relevant aspect of it, because it took a Marxist way of looking at the world and applied it to modern identity politics.

When a large portion of the left is fixated on race, sex, sexual orientation, and now gender identity, it leads to some crazy policies. The push for compelled pronouns is just the beginning.

 

[Celticguy]

Dontcha love it when lefties try to make their insanity seem reasonable and normal ?

 

[StoneByStone]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-49904997

Defining "misgendering" as hate speech is compelled pronouns. They essentially have thought crimes at this point.

This guy wasn't arrested, he just lost his job. And a "thought crime" is when opinions are illegal. In the UK, you can still deny the existence of trans people, you can even be a dick about it. But just like in any country, if you're a dick about something, you might lose your job.

And Jordan Peterson is Canadian, anyway. There is no Canadian law that compels people to use the right pronouns. Peterson made this up in order to push the narrative that Cultural Marxists are subverting the West so that they can implement Communism.

Western societies do allow discrimination, just not discrimination against protected groups. But if the law creates a situation where someone with male genitalia is supposed to be serviced the same way as someone with female genitalia in a business that is only intended for someone with a female body, then we're talking about lunacy. That's what Yaniv effectively showed us.

Sure, but that's not a transgender issue, it's an anti-discrimination issue. It's stupid to not allow someone to have a business that is only for women. But the West has laws against that kind of thing and there are plenty of cases like this one that get ignored, simply because they're not sensationalist enough.

In short, it's time to go back to the freedom of association. Including gender identity in anti-discriminatory law has become a liability that can and will lead to all sorts of idiocy. We've already seen it ruin women's sports.

Hey, I'm an Ethnic Nationalist, I'm all for freedom of association. But that should be the issue, not singling out the LGBT crowd.

I wouldn't say it's dead there, but there are plenty of other nations with more of a Marxist presence. You see more of it in Spain and in parts of Latin America. There are also pockets of it in Asia.

That's beside the point, however. Cultural Marxism has more in common with modern progressivism than with Stalinism, Maoism, or Trotskyism. Intersectionality is the most relevant aspect of it, because it took a Marxist way of looking at the world and applied it to modern identity politics.

When a large portion of the left is fixated on race, sex, sexual orientation, and now gender identity, it leads to some crazy policies. The push for compelled pronouns is just the beginning.

Cultural Marxism is the theory that Communists are using liberal ideas to subvert the West so that we'll accept Communism. Supposedly, Cultural Marxists were behind Atheism, women's rights, LGBT rights, the sexual revolution, abortion, and so on.
So while Communism is more common in Latin America, those countries are very socially conservative, and thus not part of the Cultural Marxist conspiracy. Liberal countries, such as Germany and Sweden, have completely rejected Communism. Perhaps ironically, the Soviet Union and Maoist China were also extremely conservative.

Intersectionality is just the acceptance that a person's life experiences are determined by multiple identities. I've had the white experience, but I've also had the female experience. Intersectionality would be saying that both experiences have contributed to my overall experiences as a person.

 

[Scut Farkus]

This guy wasn't arrested, he just lost his job. And a "thought crime" is when opinions are illegal. In the UK, you can still deny the existence of trans people, you can even be a dick about it. But just like in any country, if you're a dick about something, you might lose your job.

And Jordan Peterson is Canadian, anyway. There is no Canadian law that compels people to use the right pronouns. Peterson made this up in order to push the narrative that Cultural Marxists are subverting the West so that they can implement Communism.



Sure, but that's not a transgender issue, it's an anti-discrimination issue. It's stupid to not allow someone to have a business that is only for women. But the West has laws against that kind of thing and there are plenty of cases like this one that get ignored, simply because they're not sensationalist enough.



Hey, I'm an Ethnic Nationalist, I'm all for freedom of association. But that should be the issue, not singling out the LGBT crowd.



Cultural Marxism is the theory that Communists are using liberal ideas to subvert the West so that we'll accept Communism. Supposedly, Cultural Marxists were behind Atheism, women's rights, LGBT rights, the sexual revolution, abortion, and so on.
So while Communism is more common in Latin America, those countries are very socially conservative, and thus not part of the Cultural Marxist conspiracy. Liberal countries, such as Germany and Sweden, have completely rejected Communism. Perhaps ironically, the Soviet Union and Maoist China were also extremely conservative.

Intersectionality is just the acceptance that a person's life experiences are determined by multiple identities. I've had the white experience, but I've also had the female experience. Intersectionality would be saying that both experiences have contributed to my overall experiences as a person.

Bill C-16 is a federal, government-sponsored bill titled “An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code”. The amendments add gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act.

 

[Nordberg]

Gus Hall ran for president of the Us in 1980 and 84 as a communist. The party was on the ballot. It still is in some states.

 

[StoneByStone]

Bill C-16 is a federal, government-sponsored bill titled “An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code”. The amendments add gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Yes, it's illegal to discriminate against someone for their gender identity in Canada. It's also illegal to discriminate against someone for their race, nationality, religion, and such. It's not Cultural Marxism or "Postmodernism," it's just slightly expanding a law that already existed. Douches like Peterson are still allowed to misgender people, he's just not allowed to discriminate against someone for being trans.

 

[Saudade]

This guy wasn't arrested, he just lost his job. And a "thought crime" is when opinions are illegal. In the UK, you can still deny the existence of trans people, you can even be a dick about it. But just like in any country, if you're a dick about something, you might lose your job.

What you call being a dick, I call being honest. Granted, the West has accepted this gender identity nonsense as truth. Things like this are exactly why the West is in decline.

And Jordan Peterson is Canadian, anyway. There is no Canadian law that compels people to use the right pronouns. Peterson made this up in order to push the narrative that Cultural Marxists are subverting the West so that they can implement Communism.

Communism is more closely connected to the Democratic Socialists that have been rising in influence. Cultural Marxists are more focused on social agendas than economic ones.

Sure, but that's not a transgender issue, it's an anti-discrimination issue. It's stupid to not allow someone to have a business that is only for women. But the West has laws against that kind of thing and there are plenty of cases like this one that get ignored, simply because they're not sensationalist enough.


Hey, I'm an Ethnic Nationalist, I'm all for freedom of association. But that should be the issue, not singling out the LGBT crowd.

Fair enough.

Cultural Marxism is the theory that Communists are using liberal ideas to subvert the West so that we'll accept Communism. Supposedly, Cultural Marxists were behind Atheism, women's rights, LGBT rights, the sexual revolution, abortion, and so on.
So while Communism is more common in Latin America, those countries are very socially conservative, and thus not part of the Cultural Marxist conspiracy. Liberal countries, such as Germany and Sweden, have completely rejected Communism. Perhaps ironically, the Soviet Union and Maoist China were also extremely conservative.

Well, breaking down societal structures is usually something that foreign influences prefer to do to enemies rather than to themselves. Granted, the brand of "conservatism" that Mao had did not resemble most other forms of it. Mao was very anti-religion, for example.

Intersectionality is just the acceptance that a person's life experiences are determined by multiple identities. I've had the white experience, but I've also had the female experience. Intersectionality would be saying that both experiences have contributed to my overall experiences as a person.

It's a bit more than that. It encourages people to obsess over perceived oppression and "microaggressions."

 

[Saudade]

Yes, it's illegal to discriminate against someone for their gender identity in Canada. It's also illegal to discriminate against someone for their race, nationality, religion, and such. It's not Cultural Marxism or "Postmodernism," it's just slightly expanding a law that already existed. Douches like Peterson are still allowed to misgender people, he's just not allowed to discriminate against someone for being trans.

Peterson isn't a douche, but most of his critics are.