It's Really Bad Now.

[Saudade]

There were a few people like that, but they were a minority among Obama supporters. Many of them even criticized Obama for failing to follow through on his promises. That's something Trumpcucks don't have the balls to do.

In recent years, we've seen Obama receive more criticism from the left, although the criticisms sometimes just seem to be a matter of leftists thinking he wasn't far enough left.

It's a pretty clear indication that a large portion of the Democratic party has gone extremist.

 

[StoneByStone]

When considering that Democrats continually try to obstruct the administration with constant investigations and that the courts are pretty active in blocking many administration policies, I'm not sure where you get this impression.

Regardless of whether Trump is actually breaking any laws or not, the opposition has been pretty constant against him. I really don't see him being able to do much in terms of overreach.

People criticize the media for constant negative coverage of Trump. But the thing is, Trump actually does do terrible things constantly. So it's not that the media is biased against him, it's that he is that bad. And it's the same thing with the Democrats' investigations of Trump. None of the investigations have been illegitimate, they've been needed.

His lawyer made the argument that the president can do whatever he wants if he feels it's in the public interest. In other words, the president can be a dictator. And as fucking crazy as it is to have a president like this in America, this president is being acquitted after getting caught trying to cheat in an election. So the president can be a dictator and one of the two main political parties agrees.
The opposition can do whatever they can, they can impeach him next time he does something like this, but it won't matter because the RNC has gone full Fascist.

 

[Saudade]

People criticize the media for constant negative coverage of Trump. But the thing is, Trump actually does do terrible things constantly. So it's not that the media is biased against him, it's that he is that bad. And it's the same thing with the Democrats' investigations of Trump. None of the investigations have been illegitimate, they've been needed.

His lawyer made the argument that the president can do whatever he wants if he feels it's in the public interest. In other words, the president can be a dictator. And as fucking crazy as it is to have a president like this in America, this president is being acquitted after getting caught trying to cheat in an election. So the president can be a dictator and one of the two main political parties agrees.
The opposition can do whatever they can, they can impeach him next time he does something like this, but it won't matter because the RNC has gone full Fascist.

If you believe that all of the investigations have been legitimate, then we fundamentally disagree on what constitutes legitimacy. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[StoneByStone]

In recent years, we've seen Obama receive more criticism from the left, although the criticisms sometimes just seem to be a matter of leftists thinking he wasn't far enough left.

It's a pretty clear indication that a large portion of the Democratic party has gone extremist.

Is it extremist to say we should stop using taxes to bomb countries for Israel and start using taxes to fund universal healthcare?

 

[Saudade]

Is it extremist to say we should stop using taxes to bomb countries for Israel and start using taxes to fund universal healthcare?

I wouldn't say that is extremist, but when it comes to many social policies on the left, there are definitely some extremist ones being pushed. There are some economic ones that are extreme as well.

Abolishing ICE and detainment is extreme and would be pretty stupid. Taxing the heck out of the rich would be pointless, since they have numerous ways to hide money or offshore it. Also, the nominal tax rate for the rich is easy to deduct down to the AMT for the top 1%.

Treating all semiautomatic weapons as "assault weapons" is also extreme (as shown by Virginia).

And we've already discussed some of the trans insanity that is being forwarded by the left.

 

[StoneByStone]

If you believe that all of the investigations have been legitimate, then we fundamentally disagree on what constitutes legitimacy. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Even if some of them weren't legitimate, they still haven't been able to hold Trump accountable for trying to cheat in an election. And now with Trump's team using the excuse that anything is ok if it's in the public interest, and Trump himself saying "Article II" says he can do whatever he wants, we're essentially entering a new chapter of America politics. And because the Republicans are Fascist, the Democrats can't stop Fascism unless they take full control of congress or elect a Democrat president.

 

[Saudade]

Even if some of them weren't legitimate, they still haven't been able to hold Trump accountable for trying to cheat in an election. And now with Trump's team using the excuse that anything is ok if it's in the public interest, and Trump himself saying "Article II" says he can do whatever he wants, we're essentially entering a new chapter of America politics. And because the Republicans are Fascist, the Democrats can't stop Fascism unless they take full control of congress or elect a Democrat president.

They have a House majority, so they can vote down numerous things. If they lose that House majority, then they only have themselves to blame for representing policies that the average American doesn't support.

 

[Truth Detector]

Is it extremist to say we should stop using taxes to bomb countries for Israel

No; it is a strawman.

.... and start using taxes to fund universal healthcare?

Turning over our healthcare system to incompetent bureaucrats is a patently stupid idea....unless you like confiscatory taxation, shortages, long waiting times for critical care and always heading to emergency care to see a doctor about mundane things like acid reflux.

 

[StoneByStone]

I wouldn't say that is extremist, but when it comes to many social policies on the left, there are definitely some extremist ones being pushed. There are some economic ones that are extreme as well.

Abolishing ICE and detainment is extreme and would be pretty stupid. Taxing the heck out of the rich would be pointless, since they have numerous ways to hide money or offshore it. Also, the nominal tax rate for the rich is easy to deduct down to the AMT for the top 1%.

Treating all semiautomatic weapons as "assault weapons" is also extreme (as shown by Virginia).

And we've already discussed some of the trans insanity that is being forwarded by the left.

The stuff relating to ICE and illegal immigration, I agree is extremist. But that's pretty much it.
Yeah, the rich hide money, but it's not extremist to say we're going to tax them way more and actually hold them accountable when we catch them hiding money. The problem is that right now we have a system that protects the rich. If we had a president like Bernie Sanders, who clearly gives no fucks about the rich and their bribes, we could change things.
When you consider that you could defend yourself with a basic handgun, it doesn't seem so extreme to ban other kinds of guns.
What exactly is the trans insanity? Letting them use the bathrooms they want? Why does anyone care about this?

 

[Truth Detector]

.....they still haven't been able to hold Trump accountable for trying to cheat in an election.

That would be because there is ZERO evidence of Trump cheating. What's with all the fucking lies????

 

[Nordberg]

You attempting to contradict me is the height of stupidity.

Overthrow is merely used as a colloquial expression meaning to fundamentally change.
Anybody of even minimal intellect would have realized that.....JPP staff member.

You can argue that by suppressing the vote and owning the voting machines the Repubs have overthrown the process. Throw in not allowing people with felonies to vote and you can say thy are at min. controlling the vote at max. overthrowing a fair vote.

 

[Saudade]

The stuff relating to ICE and illegal immigration, I agree is extremist. But that's pretty much it.
Yeah, the rich hide money, but it's not extremist to say we're going to tax them way more and actually hold them accountable when we catch them hiding money. The problem is that right now we have a system that protects the rich. If we had a president like Bernie Sanders, who clearly gives no fucks about the rich and their bribes, we could change things.

You'll notice that all of the countries in which things like socialized medicine are implemented don't just tax the rich more. They tax everyone more. They also tend to tax corporations less.

That should clue progressives in that putting more of the tax burden on the wealthy isn't a logical means to reach the government programs they desire.

The reason why taxing the wealthy is so heavily emphasized is because it's easy to sell to the masses. If the masses actually understood that having more government programs meant more taxation of themselves, they'd be less supportive of the idea.

When you consider that you could defend yourself with a basic handgun, it doesn't seem so extreme to ban other kinds of guns.

I could defend myself with a knife or a sword as well, but that doesn't mean I want to limit my options or the options of others.

What exactly is the trans insanity? Letting them use the bathrooms they want? Why does anyone care about this?

Taken to its logical conclusion, the trans agenda results in hormone blockers being used on children. In certain areas, we've already seen the state demand that a willing child be allowed to use them if he/she identifies as trans. Thankfully, this is not a common thing in America, but it has happened in parts of Europe. And the idea is gaining traction among the left here.

In the affected jurisdictions, they consider it child abuse by a parent to withhold said treatment from a child. And when I say child, I mean prepubescent children. These children aren't old enough to understand gender identity. It's complex enough to make it hard for adults to understand.

 

[Into the Night]

In other words, there is very little difference between them.

A small difference, but a difference all the same.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Being a Marxist in America may be constitutionally protected, but, you should still kill yourself, anyway.

 

[Into the Night]

The point is that when conservative media did things like this, Obama supporters controlled themselves. They didn't explode in a frothing anger like Trump supporters do. That's the real TDS.

What frothing anger?

 

[Into the Night]

We've never had a president try to cheat in an election and then have his lawyer use the argument that the president should be allowed to do whatever they want to get reelected.

And we still haven't.

In the past, the government often overstepped its boundaries, but it was done in moderation so as not to cause a rebellion.

The government oversteps its boundaries all the time. They get rebellions and lawsuits for it too.

If Trump is reelected, the president will be able to openly do whatever they want because we have now accepted this as the new norm.

Following the Constitution should be the norm. That what Trump does.

 

[Into the Night]

There were a few people like that, but they were a minority among Obama supporters. Many of them even criticized Obama for failing to follow through on his promises. That's something Trumpcucks don't have the balls to do.

Obama was racist.

 

[Into the Night]

Is it extremist to say we should stop using taxes to bomb countries for Israel and start using taxes to fund universal healthcare?

Yes.

 

[Into the Night]

Even if some of them weren't legitimate, they still haven't been able to hold Trump accountable for trying to cheat in an election.

Trump hasn't cheated on any election.

And now with Trump's team using the excuse that anything is ok if it's in the public interest, and Trump himself saying "Article II" says he can do whatever he wants,

Contextomy fallacy.

we're essentially entering a new chapter of America politics.

We already have. Democrats have openly attempted to subvert the government of the United States.

And because the Republicans are Fascist,

Inversion fallacy. You are describing Democrats and yourself.

the Democrats can't stop Fascism

THEY are trying to implement fascism. Fascism is a form of socialism.

unless they take full control of congress or elect a Democrat president.

Won't happen. People won't knowingly vote for fascism. it is the Democrats that want fascism.

 

[Into the Night]

No; it is a strawman.

It is also extremist. It is fascism. It is an attempt to make fascism acceptable as 'benevolent'.

Turning over our healthcare system to incompetent bureaucrats is a patently stupid idea....unless you like confiscatory taxation, shortages, long waiting times for critical care and always heading to emergency care to see a doctor about mundane things like acid reflux.

Quite right. There wouldn't BE a health care system (except on the black market).