I've noticed a trend in terminology

[Into the Night]

So which debate do you think we "lefties" are losing?

All of them.

The Iran War was a terrible idea?

What war, Stooge?

Tariffs do nothing but raise costs of goods on consumers?

Tariffs do not affect domestic goods.

If you mask and make anonomous an army of poorly trained masked thugs and give them total unaccountability it's a bad thing?

The insurrection you support is against the law, Stooge. You hatred of law enforcement is already known.

I mean, I truly think you've lost this one and although OP's like the one you started hear might sooth you in the short term - like most of your posts, there's just zero connection to reality.

Assumption of victory fallacy. Inversion fallacy. Buzzword fallacy (reality).

 

[Into the Night]

There's no such things as "reverse racism".

He is trying to justify his racism.

Drawing a congressional district along racial lines is racist and unconstitutional.

That it is. Fortunately, the Supreme Court agreed and threw out such redistricting.

One of the illegally gerrymandered districts in Tennessee who had a crusty old white guy will now likely have a black woman. But you won't celebrate that because she's a Republican. Democrats can't stand uppity black folk who don't know their place.

Bingo.

 

[Into the Night]

I've always called them jesusland / flyover country states or as NY columnist Jimmy Breslin called them , The Low IQ states

Mantra 1a. Lame. You're being a bigot again Gunky.

 

[Into the Night]

You know damn well you couldn't possibly care less about the black vote, all you and your ilk care about is the Democrat vote.

Not quite. All they care about is power. They don't want elections.

 

[Into the Night]

Okay, idiots abound. I wouldn't go out of my way to prove that in public if I were you.

Particularly in a country bar!

 

[Into the Night]

It is not a sign of losing a debate.

You already lost 'em, Sybil.

You want the left to sugarcoat the oppressive right-wing gerrymandering tactics the far-right supremes made possible? The minorities and poor are losing the right to vote with oppression and the power of their vote with gerrymandering of their districts.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[LurchAddams]

No, it isn't. I want what works. Solar and wind don't work. Nuclear does. I can demonstrate clearly solar and wind don't work both by example and historical data.

I do despise the Left. I don't "hate Democrats."

Solar works fine. I know it - you know it.

 

[Into the Night]

1. People ​

...deleted remaining AI slop...

You have no brain. AI won't work for your brain, Zombie.

 

[Grim Reaper]

You have no brain. AI won't work for your brain, Zombie.

You didn’t refute a single point. You just repeated AI slop like it’s a coping mantra. If that’s all you’ve got, I’ll go ahead and accept your concession. Debate’s over, you tapped out.

 

[Grim Reaper]

All of them.

What war, Stooge?

Tariffs do not affect domestic goods.

The insurrection you support is against the law, Stooge. You hatred of law enforcement is already known.

Assumption of victory fallacy. Inversion fallacy. Buzzword fallacy (reality).

​

This is factually incorrect.

FACT CHECK​

• Tariffs raise costs on imported inputs, which then raise prices on domestic goods that use those inputs.
• Example: U.S. steel tariffs raised costs for U.S. manufacturers using steel (cars, appliances, construction materials).
• The Congressional Budget Office, Federal Reserve, and multiple economic studies found tariffs increased consumer prices.

Verdict: False. Tariffs do affect domestic goods through supply chain costs.

​

This is not a factual statement — it’s an accusation.

FACT CHECK​

• No evidence is provided that the other user “supports an insurrection.”
• No evidence is provided that the user “hates law enforcement.”
• These are claims without substantiation, not factual rebuttals.

Verdict: Unsupported assertion, not a fact.

​

These terms are misapplied.

FACT CHECK​

• “Assumption of victory fallacy” is not a recognized logical fallacy in academic logic.
• “Buzzword fallacy” is not a formal fallacy either.
• “Inversion fallacy” exists, but it refers to confusing conditional probability, not political disagreement.

He is using fallacy names as labels, not applying them correctly.

Verdict: Incorrect usage of logical terminology.

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Every time he was presented with a concrete claim, he responded with:

• a dodge,
• a false statement,
• an unsupported accusation, or
• misused logic jargon.

You did not refute the points.

 

[Crepitus]

Realistic? Red states are "oppressors?" Really? You think that's accurate? Go for it. Give me some proof of that.

Yes, yes I do.

How about giving protections to people who strike protesters with their cars? That's oppression.

Favoring industrial interests over health? Ayup, that's oppression.

Interference in local governance, that's oppression too.

 

[Crepitus]

It is DEMOCRATS that are oppressive.

It is DEMOCRATS the arrested people for simply walking on a beach alone during the Covid Hoax.
It is DEMOCRATS raising taxes.
It is DEMOCRATS that are overregulating businesses, causing them to flee.
It is DEMOCRATS that want to force States to allow the murder of children.
It is DEMOCRATS that want to ban or limit guns.
It is DEMOCRATS that want to discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions.
It is DEMOCRATS that are rioting in the streets.
It is DEMOCRATS that support insurrection.
It is DEMOCRATS that support criminal activity and organized crime.
It is DEMOCRATS that are conducting federal fraud.
It is DEMOCRATS that allow open looting.
It is DEMOCRATS that commit election fraud.
It is DEMOCRATS that don't want elections.
It is DEMOCRATS that assassinate people and have attempted to assassinate Trump multiple times.
It is DEMOCRATS that want to practice sexual deviancy and call it "normal".
It is DEMOCRATS that committed treason by giving weapons and supplies to the enemy in time of war, and invited invasion of the United States.
It is DEMOCRATS that harbor illegal aliens.
It is DEMOCRATS implementing communism and fascism.
It is DEMOCRATS that are racists and bigots.

Fuck you, Stooge.

That's a whole lotta lies in one post Larry.

You do know liars go to hell don't you, Larry?

 

[Grim Reaper]

It is DEMOCRATS that are oppressive.

It is DEMOCRATS the arrested people for simply walking on a beach alone during the Covid Hoax.
It is DEMOCRATS raising taxes.
It is DEMOCRATS that are overregulating businesses, causing them to flee.
It is DEMOCRATS that want to force States to allow the murder of children.
It is DEMOCRATS that want to ban or limit guns.
It is DEMOCRATS that want to discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions.
It is DEMOCRATS that are rioting in the streets.
It is DEMOCRATS that support insurrection.
It is DEMOCRATS that support criminal activity and organized crime.
It is DEMOCRATS that are conducting federal fraud.
It is DEMOCRATS that allow open looting.
It is DEMOCRATS that commit election fraud.
It is DEMOCRATS that don't want elections.
It is DEMOCRATS that assassinate people and have attempted to assassinate Trump multiple times.
It is DEMOCRATS that want to practice sexual deviancy and call it "normal".
It is DEMOCRATS that committed treason by giving weapons and supplies to the enemy in time of war, and invited invasion of the United States.
It is DEMOCRATS that harbor illegal aliens.
It is DEMOCRATS implementing communism and fascism.
It is DEMOCRATS that are racists and bigots.

Fuck you, Stooge.

That wall of text is almost entirely unsubstantiated accusation, propaganda framing, or flat‑out false. The few grains of truth you have (Democrats favor higher taxes on the rich, tighter gun laws, more regulation) are buried under conspiracy claims you can’t back with evidence. That’s not a fact list, it’s a tantrum in bullet‑point form.

 

[Into the Night]

“Google AI doesn’t know what a strawman is”

False / rhetorical

You’re using strawmen and hyperbole.

Google AI doesn't know anything. It is not sentient. Redefinition fallacy. A strawman is a man of straw, like a scarecrow. A strawman fallacy is a pivot to irrelevancy, then knocking down that argument as if it were a strawman. Obviously, Google AI does not know what a strawman or a strawman fallacy is.

Climate change & CO₂

Scientific consensus misrepresented

Strong consensus CO₂ is main driver.

Science does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science. No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. The 1st law of thermodynamics cannot be ignored. Climate is not a branch of science. Climate cannot change.

“EVs for everyone” / mandates

Partly true, partly exaggerated

Real mandates, but not universal or Dem‑only.

Completely true. Democrats want to force people to buy EVs. ONLY Democrats and other leftists want to force people to buy EVs. EVs are expensive, inefficient, and inconvenient.

“Tax the rich will fix budgets”

Accurate criticism

Serious Dems don’t claim it fully fixes deficits.

They have continually said this. A lie by denial.

“Handouts to the poor work”

Loaded framing

Real programs; “handout” is ideological language.

Word games. A handout is not ideological language at all. It is what it is...a handout. It is a description of the communism desired by Democrats.

High‑rise housing / density

Economics oversimplified

Density usually lowers per‑unit cost, not raises.

It's not about efficiency, Zombie.

Bike paths “not vital, mostly unused”

Contradicted by data

Many cities show high use & safety benefits.

Cherry picking fallacy. Most bike paths are rarely used at all. I have one that runs right by my house. I see a bike on it maybe once a week, and only in the summer. This is not unusual for bike paths.

Solar/wind “raise costs everywhere”

Factually wrong in key cases

Some high‑renewable grids have lower prices.

Dead wrong.
Solar power is unreliable, and the most expensive method of generating electricity, watt for watt. It generates ZERO at night. It is easily damaged by hail, rain, snow, wind, dust, critters, or even sunlight. The only reason it exists at all is because of heavy government subsidies. It generates tremendous amounts of E-waste when they are abandoned and dismantled (happening more and more).

Wind is unreliable, and the 2nd most expensive method of generating electricity, watt for watt. It generates ZERO if the wind speed is too high or too low. It is damaged by icing, rain, hail, critters, and even sunlight. Rotating components require constant maintenance. A catastrophic failure is dangerous, throwing debris up to a mile away. They are a blight on the countryside. They are only there because of heavy government subsidies.

“Left thinks criminals stop if we’re polite”

Classic strawman

No mainstream platform says this.

That is exactly what they say. It is also what corrupt judges say. These judges are aiding and abetting crime and should be prosecuted for it.

Drugs: “legalizing reduces use”

You’re right that results are mixed

Oregon is a real cautionary example.

Legalizing drug use INCREASES drug use. The results are not mixed. It is predictable and repeatable. Oregon is one example. So is California, Washington, Nevada, and anywhere else the drugs have been legalized.

Public education “doesn’t work”

Overgeneralization

Outcomes uneven; Dems do resist some choice models.

Public education doesn't work. It has high costs, paid for by theft (as is all communism), produces students that are functionally illiterate (you are an example), and is more interested in indoctrination and political correctness than education.

Unions “necessary and should be mandatory”

Strawman + hyperbole

Dems support easier unionizing, not mandatory unions.

Unions are mandatory. If you refuse to join the union, you lose your job, pay a hefty repetitive fine, and constantly face the mob behavior of unions.

“More government is good”

Hyperbolic caricature

Not a stated position; inferred from policy prefs.

A stated position of the Democrats.

Democrats whine when any government program gets reduced or eliminated.
Democrats whine when any government program doesn't get as much money as they think it should.
Democrats want public schools (communism), government own grocery and sundry stores (communism), implementation of larger and larger bureaucracies that do nothing but pass oppressive regulations.

...deleted remaining AI slop...

Don't try to substitute AI for your brain, Zombie.

AI is not God.
AI is not a Holy Oracle.
AI is not sentient.
AI is not a Universal Truth.

 

[Into the Night]

That's a whole lotta lies in one post Larry.

You do know liars go to hell don't you, Larry?

I am not you, Stooge.

 

[Into the Night]

That wall of text is almost entirely unsubstantiated accusation, propaganda framing, or flat‑out false.

Lie. Denial.

The few grains of truth you have (Democrats favor higher taxes on the rich, tighter gun laws, more regulation) are buried under conspiracy claims you can’t back with evidence.

Lie. Denial.

That’s not a fact list, it’s a tantrum in bullet‑point form.

Go learn what 'fact' means, Zombie. A list is not bullet points.

 

[Grim Reaper]

Google AI doesn't know anything. It is not sentient. Redefinition fallacy. A strawman is a man of straw, like a scarecrow. A strawman fallacy is a pivot to irrelevancy, then knocking down that argument as if it were a strawman. Obviously, Google AI does not know what a strawman or a strawman fallacy is.

You didn’t post facts, you posted a scrapbook of things you wish were true. Half of it contradicts basic physics, the other half contradicts the country you live in, and the rest is just you yelling fallacy like a toddler shaking a Magic 8‑Ball.

You call it analysis, but it reads like someone speed‑typing bumper stickers and hoping volume will replace evidence. If this is your science, no wonder you think Google AI is the problem, reality has been beating you for years.

 

[Into the Night]

Solar works fine. I know it - you know it.

Solar power is the most expensive method of generating electricity there is, watt for watt. It is unreliable. It generates ZERO during nighttime. It is susceptible to damage from hail, snow, rain, critters, and even sunlight. It only exists because of heavy government subsidies. It generates a lot of E-waste then systems are abandoned and/or dismantled.

 

[Grim Reaper]

Solar power is the most expensive method of generating electricity there is, watt for watt. It is unreliable. It generates ZERO during nighttime. It is susceptible to damage from hail, snow, rain, critters, and even sunlight. It only exists because of heavy government subsidies. It generates a lot of E-waste then systems are abandoned and/or dismantled.

​

Claim 1: “Solar power is the most expensive method of generating electricity, watt for watt.”​

False.

• The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) and Lazard’s Levelized Cost of Energy (LCOE) reports show utility‑scale solar is now one of the cheapest sources of new electricity.
• In 2023–2024, solar’s LCOE is $24–$96/MWh, cheaper than coal and often cheaper than natural gas.
• Coal is typically $68–$166/MWh.
• New nuclear is far more expensive than solar.

Verdict: Solar is not the most expensive — it is among the cheapest.

Claim 2: “It is unreliable. It generates ZERO during nighttime.”​

Half‑true but misleading.

• Yes, solar produces no power at night.
• But “unreliable” is a misuse of the term. Reliability refers to system‑level grid performance, not whether a generator runs 24/7.
• Grids use storage, geographic diversity, and complementary sources to maintain reliability.
• Solar’s variability is well‑characterized and predictable.

Verdict: Solar doesn’t run at night, but that does not make it “unreliable” in grid engineering terms.

Claim 3: “It is susceptible to damage from hail, snow, rain, critters, and even sunlight.”​

Mostly false.

• Solar panels are engineered to withstand 1‑inch hail at 50 mph, heavy rain, snow loads, and decades of UV exposure.
• Panels are UL‑tested for 25–30 years of outdoor durability.
• Hail damage is rare; NREL found less than 0.05% of U.S. panels are damaged by hail annually.
• “Even sunlight” is nonsense — panels are designed for sunlight.

Verdict: Panels are extremely durable; the claim exaggerates risk.

Claim 4: “It only exists because of heavy government subsidies.”​

False.

• Fossil fuels have received far more cumulative subsidies over the past century than solar.
• Solar costs have dropped 90% since 2010 due to manufacturing scale, not subsidies.
• Solar is cost‑competitive even without incentives in many regions.

Verdict: Solar is economically viable on its own.

Claim 5: “It generates a lot of E‑waste when systems are abandoned/dismantled.”​

Partially true but exaggerated.

• Solar panels do create waste at end‑of‑life, but:
  • Panels last 25–35 years.
  • Recycling infrastructure is expanding rapidly.
  • Solar waste is tiny compared to coal ash (100 million tons/year) or oil/gas waste streams.

Verdict: Solar waste exists but is manageable and far smaller than fossil waste.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Solar works fine. I know it - you know it.

No, it doesn't. It is costly for what it does.