January 6th. We Need To Talk About It.

Dutch Uncle said:
Who'd have thought on January 5, 2021 that Trump would try to overthrow nation and our Constitution? Are you really unconcerned about "next time"?

The best defense is 1) a good offense and 2) a defense in depth. By the time it comes down to me shooting the male (and sometimes female) heads of a few families around here, then our nation would be a collapsed state.

Additionally, and more importantly IMO, is to remember the words of Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus: Si vis pacem, para bellum

If Americans are sheep, they'll see the wolves take their country away from them. If they are willing to let the law handle all problems and, if that fails, are ready to fight for their country, then they have a chance of keeping their country. I advocate fighting, but as a last resort.

Those who always say "no violence" will end up losing to violent people. We have to be ready to be violent, but we also have to be willing to let our system of government work by trusting our neighbors, our states and our elected leadership until they can't be trusted.

We, the People must be ready to deal out death to all who attack our Constitution.

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Then attack yourself. YOU are discarding the Constitution. YOU are supporting The Oligarchy.
 
Into the Night said:
These groups do not support overthrowing the government.
There is no United States. The Democrats have discarded the Constitution of the United States and successfully (so far) executed a silent coup.
I refer to it as The Oligarchy now.

The SOA (States of America) are each independent States now, each deciding their own fate.
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I love that you are supporting the Trumpers, Insurrectionists, White Supremacist terrorists and other assorted assholes, Sybil! Kudos! :thup:
 
PoliTalker said:
The right wants to bury it. Revisionist history is being implemented. It is a case of massive denial.

We need to be honest about what really happened.

January 6th can never be allowed to happen again.

The right wing extremists are out of control.

All that is required for bad people to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

It is time for the good people of America to speak up and get involved.

Get informed. Be engaged with your country. Ignore it at the peril of your future, your children's future, everything you hope for.

America is on the line.

Do U Care?

I do.
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The so called "Good"people of america have been voting for these extremist since at least 1964................blame them.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Just two weeks ago (or so) you claimed that the Constitution is not dead.
Seems to me that you have now contradicted yourself.
Would you care to explain?
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Certainly. I still maintain the Constitution is not dead.
I also still maintain that the United States currently does not exist, that the Democrats have successfully (so far) executed a coup, and discarded the Constitution of the United States.

It is not a contradiction.

The Constitution is not dead. The people themselves keep it alive. Most States keep it alive. They all want to restore a republic as a form of government, and use that same Constitution to describe and define it. It will be the rallying cry by these people if war breaks out. It will be their conditions of victory.

War need not break out just yet. It lot depends on how fast Democrat cowards run when faced with the anger of the population in no uncertain terms.
 
Into the Night said:
Certainly. I still maintain the Constitution is not dead.
I also still maintain that the United States currently does not exist, that the Democrats have successfully (so far) executed a coup, and discarded the Constitution of the United States.

It is not a contradiction.

The Constitution is not dead. The people themselves keep it alive. Most States keep it alive. They all want to restore a republic as a form of government, and use that same Constitution to describe and define it. It will be the rallying cry by these people if war breaks out. It will be their conditions of victory.

War need not break out just yet. It lot depends on how fast Democrat cowards run when faced with the anger of the population in no uncertain terms.
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I feel like Tucker re Cruz: Basically "That does not work for me, but thanks for being game enough to attempt to explain yourself".
 
Hello Dutch,

Dutch Uncle said:
...and then get shit on by Liberals for the rest of their lives? LOL

Again, if the nation is overthrown, there will be war. I disagree with your position to hunker down and wait to be hunted.

My position is to go on the offensive as part of a partisan effort to eradicate those responsible for the overthrow.
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I don't know what you mean with that remark about liberals. I am liberal and I appreciate our military. I am glad you served and I thank you for your service. I'm the liberal poster who respects our flag so much that I take issue with disrespecting it.

I don't think simple citizens are going to be hunted down by right wing fanatics. Some extremists may target public figures or crucial job holders, but there are simply far too many everyday citizens for any kind of citizen-hunting campaign to be effective. Not gonna happen.

Taking weapons into the street and looking for a confrontation is a good way to end up dead. The vast majority of Americans will leave gunfighting up to the professionals. We have a rock solid nation we can count on. Violent dissidents are being rounded up by the hundreds by the authorities. They are facing the criminal justice system, and the most violent ones are being thrown in prison. Our system is being tested, and it is working.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Who'd have thought on January 5, 2021 that Trump would try to overthrow nation and our Constitution? Are you really unconcerned about "next time"?

The best defense is 1) a good offense and 2) a defense in depth. By the time it comes down to me shooting the male (and sometimes female) heads of a few families around here, then our nation would be a collapsed state.

Additionally, and more importantly IMO, is to remember the words of Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus: Si vis pacem, para bellum

If Americans are sheep, they'll see the wolves take their country away from them. If they are willing to let the law handle all problems and, if that fails, are ready to fight for their country, then they have a chance of keeping their country. I advocate fighting, but as a last resort.

Those who always say "no violence" will end up losing to violent people. We have to be ready to be violent, but we also have to be willing to let our system of government work by trusting our neighbors, our states and our elected leadership until they can't be trusted.

We, the People must be ready to deal out death to all who attack our Constitution.

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The USA is well prepared for war. We have a very fine military system.
 
Hello Frank,

Frank Apisa said:
So, the Dems pulled off the most successful heist in history...and stole the presidency from the Republicans...

...and you are calling THEM fools!

It is almost certain the Democrats did not steal the election, but if they did, as YOU suppose they did, THEY should be running things, not the morons who got suckered!
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The right wing election conspiracy theory is absolutely absurd. The Democrats, apparently, are so amazing and smart that they could steal a presidential election, (manipulating several States,) leave absolutely no court convincing evidence of it, but lose the Senate and nearly lose the House, leaving them with no power to enact any of the major programs they campaigned on.

The only reason they got to 50 in the Senate in run-off elections is because Georgia Republicans doubted the point of voting, and Trump wasn't on the ticket to draw them out. But it still didn't give them the filibuster-proof majority in the Senate which would be required to pass landmark legislation.

Republicans are being incredibly silly to believe such nonsense. But, fortunately, they have a very powerful propaganda machine to convince them that this absurdity is 'real.'
 
Hello Dutch,

Dutch Uncle said:
Don't forget, the Trumpers are also claiming Trump was so incompetent that the Democrats stole it right from under him. LOL
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Queue the victimhood parade.

Oh, poor little Trump. Why is everybody always picking on him? What did he ever do to anybody? Blah Blah Blah.
 
Hello Dutch,

Dutch Uncle said:
Anyone who's been in government for very long knows these reports take a year or more. The 9/11 Commission report took 2.5 years.

It's been one year today and the Republicans have been stonewalling all year long. Why are you complaining about the lack of evidence?

FWIW, I think the shit is going to hit the fan when the report comes out.

OTOH, I think the militias are going to exact revenge on TrumpCo for betraying them about the pardons so maybe I'm wrong and the militias are a bunch of pussies and Trump will get away with treason.

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The report is going to come out right around midterm election time.

Oh darn. I wonder if it will affect the outcome?

What a thing to have all over the news during election season.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch,



I don't know what you mean with that remark about liberals. I am liberal and I appreciate our military. I am glad you served and I thank you for your service. I'm the liberal poster who respects our flag so much that I take issue with disrespecting it.

I don't think simple citizens are going to be hunted down by right wing fanatics. Some extremists may target public figures or crucial job holders, but there are simply far too many everyday citizens for any kind of citizen-hunting campaign to be effective. Not gonna happen.

Taking weapons into the street and looking for a confrontation is a good way to end up dead. The vast majority of Americans will leave gunfighting up to the professionals. We have a rock solid nation we can count on. Violent dissidents are being rounded up by the hundreds by the authorities. They are facing the criminal justice system, and the most violent ones are being thrown in prison. Our system is being tested, and it is working.
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Agreed. How does that conflict with what I previously posted?
 
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