John Brennan’s Plot to Infiltrate the Trump Campaign

And after all......they needed all those spies/informants because they were only trying to PROTECT Trump. :laugh:

What do think of a 2nd Special Counsel?

I hate SC's.. we need an SC.. :rolleyes:

Seriously the only REAL TIME an SC is called for is when DoJ is so conflicted;
it can't be trusted to investigate itself..like now.

But Rosenweasel is slik shit -within hours of Trumps Tweet he glommed onto expanding the existing IG's
( with Huber) mandate to look for spies..Meaning it gets dragged out at minimum

The Weasels at DoJ and Nunes and Kelly are supposed to meet Thurs to "discuss" docs release.
Like we haven't had enough discussions??? *show us the money* already..
 
I hate SC's.. we need an SC.. :rolleyes:

Seriously the only REAL TIME an SC is called for is when DoJ is so conflicted;
it can't be trusted to investigate itself..like now.

But Rosenweasel is slik shit -within hours of Trumps Tweet he glommed onto expanding the existing IG's
( with Huber) mandate to look for spies..Meaning it gets dragged out at minimum

The Weasels at DoJ and Nunes and Kelly are supposed to meet Thurs to "discuss" docs release.
Like we haven't had enough discussions??? *show us the money* already..

"I hate SC's.. we need an SC.."
Exactly...unfortunate, but NOW is when a SC is specifically needed.

And, I'm sure Nunes et al are sick of these "discussions" as well...stalling is more like it.

Speaking of money (off topic)...you doing Red Nose?
 
"I hate SC's.. we need an SC.."
Exactly...unfortunate, but NOW is when a SC is specifically needed.

And, I'm sure Nunes et al are sick of these "discussions" as well...stalling is more like it.

Speaking of money (off topic)...you doing Red Nose?
Hopefully Kelly can strong arm some releases..
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I'm on for 3 hours of Red Nose.
I am trying to figure out the new portal??? *yikes*
 
I hate SC's.. we need an SC.. :rolleyes:

Seriously the only REAL TIME an SC is called for is when DoJ is so conflicted;
it can't be trusted to investigate itself..like now.

But Rosenweasel is slik shit -within hours of Trumps Tweet he glommed onto expanding the existing IG's
( with Huber) mandate to look for spies..Meaning it gets dragged out at minimum

The Weasels at DoJ and Nunes and Kelly are supposed to meet Thurs to "discuss" docs release.
Like we haven't had enough discussions??? *show us the money* already..

Good point on the irony: now that there’s a *legitimate* time to appoint an SC we can’t get one.

The thing of it is, even with an SC you might not see indictments until after the midterms. But with Huber in the mix, another SC may not be necessary and even redundant. They may even get in each other’s way.

Huber can do everything an SC can do—it’s just not as sexy as an SC appointment.
 
Good point on the irony: now that there’s a *legitimate* time to appoint an SC we can’t get one.

The thing of it is, even with an SC you might not see indictments until after the midterms. But with Huber in the mix, another SC may not be necessary and even redundant. They may even get in each other’s way.

Huber can do everything an SC can do—it’s just not as sexy as an SC appointment.
Huber is remote.Huber has to wait on IG referrals or issue subpoenas after IG looks for them
IG cannot get ex-FBI/CIA to testify..
 
Huber is remote.Huber has to wait on IG referrals or issue subpoenas after IG looks for them
IG cannot get ex-FBI/CIA to testify..

If whatever documents Horowitz sends to Huber implicate people who have left their jobs—Huber can still get them.

This all depends on Huber/Horowitz being straight players, but together they can roll out more indictments than Mullet has.

And it won’t be an attempt to get people to flip. A federal prosecutor would be like a little kid in a candy store with some of this stuff.
 
If whatever documents Horowitz sends to Huber implicate people who have left their jobs—Huber can still get them.

This all depends on Huber/Horowitz being straight players, but together they can roll out more indictments than Mullet has.

And it won’t be an attempt to get people to flip. A federal prosecutor would be like a little kid in a candy store with some of this stuff.
There are no advantages to the IG/USDA. It's better then nothing. SC's do not need to constantly flip-
that's more of a Mueller move, but it would be advantageous to be able to indict during an investigation.

I think -not 100% sure that otherwise Huber has to wait for the IG's criminal referalls -done last
 
I hate SC's.. we need an SC.. :rolleyes:

Seriously the only REAL TIME an SC is called for is when DoJ is so conflicted;
it can't be trusted to investigate itself..like now.

But Rosenweasel is slik shit -within hours of Trumps Tweet he glommed onto expanding the existing IG's
( with Huber) mandate to look for spies..Meaning it gets dragged out at minimum

The Weasels at DoJ and Nunes and Kelly are supposed to meet Thurs to "discuss" docs release.
Like we haven't had enough discussions??? *show us the money* already..

And let me add, from Congressman Jim Jordan, ... when asked why he wants a SC.



"Because Attorney General Jeff Sessions has stated that only under extraordinary circumstances do you have special counsels.

Well, how about the fact that five of the top people at the FBI have been fired or demoted and reassigned? James Comey has been fired, former director of the FBI. Deputy Director Andrew McCabe has been fired. There is actually a criminal referral because he lied three times under oath, according to the inspector general.

Deputy Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok has been demoted and reassigned. FBI counsel Jim Baker has been demoted and reassigned. FBI counsel Lisa Page has been demoted and reassigned.

Five of the top people demoted, reassigned, and in some cases fired from the FBI, if that isn’t unusual, if that isn’t extraordinary, someone define to me what is. And these five people, while they were working in the Obama administration, ran the Clinton investigation and then launched the Russia investigation into President Trump and his campaign.

They’re the ones who did the dossier. They’re the ones who maybe were involved in what we have seen, this possible informant issue. So, for all those reasons, it warrants a second special counsel."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/rep-jordan-withholding-info-puts-doj-under-a-cloud
 
There are no advantages to the IG/USDA. It's better then nothing. SC's do not need to constantly flip-
that's more of a Mueller move, but it would be advantageous to be able to indict during an investigation.

I think -not 100% sure that otherwise Huber has to wait for the IG's criminal referalls -done last

I think youre right.

Horowitz finds probable cause that McCabe was involved in a conspiracy, for example. McCabe may have left the agency but his paper trail didn’t. Horowitz sends the evidence to Huber and Huber indicts McCabe.

Unless I’m missing something that scenario is satisfactory. We don’t care where or how the indictments originate.
 
I think youre right.

Horowitz finds probable cause that McCabe was involved in a conspiracy, for example. McCabe may have left the agency but his paper trail didn’t. Horowitz sends the evidence to Huber and Huber indicts McCabe.

Unless I’m missing something that scenario is satisfactory. We don’t care where or how the indictments originate.
if that works..in the case of the current report, no criminal referalls are made until the report is finished..

The Huber/IG relationship seems cumbersome,.. but unless Trump fires Rosenweasel -it is what it is.
 
if that works..in the case of the current report, no criminal referalls are made until the report is finished..

The Huber/IG relationship seems cumbersome,.. but unless Trump fires Rosenweasel -it is what it is.

Oh no, it would be a mistake for Trump to fire anyone lol.

And I don’t think he will. He needs to let this thing play out.

I’m not against another SC, don’t get me wrong. Thing of it is, if one was appointed today it would take weeks to get the staff together, at least several more weeks—if not months to be brought up to speed and go over the evidence. They can’t just start firing out indictments or they can end up looking as foolish in court as Mullet did with their indicted Russians.

In contrast, Horowitz is on top of it as we speak. Huber is miles and miles away from the Swamp Critters. I think it’s a workable set up.
 
LMFAO
This thread is an idiot festival.

Only when you and your cabal of leftist dumbfucks engage. The IQ of the room always drops with you around RuneTard. But alas, you're an idiot who lacks the intelligence it would take to comprehend the obvious.

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Hopefully Kelly can strong arm some releases..
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I'm on for 3 hours of Red Nose.
I am trying to figure out the new portal??? *yikes*

I took 3 hours tomorrow night as well.

I'm clicking on everything in there learning how it all works. Wonderful addition is the private message feature. Just click on the little envelope next to your avatar in upper right corner, click 'new message'. Mine is my 1st name (which you know) plus '_S' after it. I see 2 drop down with your 1st name when I type it in...anything after your 1st name?
 
Good point on the irony: now that there’s a *legitimate* time to appoint an SC we can’t get one.

The thing of it is, even with an SC you might not see indictments until after the midterms. But with Huber in the mix, another SC may not be necessary and even redundant. They may even get in each other’s way.

Huber can do everything an SC can do—it’s just not as sexy as an SC appointment.

See now, that's what I was thinking......I thought Huber could continue on with this.
 
Title III of The Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (Wiretap Act)
18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-22, as amended by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA)(Pub. L. 99-508; 10/21/86), the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act (CALEA)(Pub. L. 103-414; 10/24/94), Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 ("Antiterrorism Act") (Pub. L. 104-132; 4/24/96), USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. 107-56; 10/26/01), USA PATRIOT Additional Reauthorization Amendments Act of 2006 (Pub. L. 109-178; (3/9/06), FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) Amendments Act of 2008 (Pub. L.110-261; 7/10/2008), FISA Sunsets Extension Act (Pub. L. 112-3; 2/25/11) PATRIOT Sunsets Extension Act of 2011 (Pub. L. 112-14; 5/26/11). These statutes are codified, inter alia, at 18 U.S.C. § 2510, et seq.

Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, (Pub. L. 90-351; 6/19/68), also known as the "Wiretap Act":

prohibits the unauthorized, nonconsensual interception of "wire, oral, or electronic communications" by government agencies as well as private parties,
establishes procedures for obtaining warrants to authorize wiretapping by government officials, and
regulates the disclosure and use of authorized intercepted communications by investigative and law enforcement officers.

Background. Congress passed Title III in response to congressional investigations and published studies that found extensive wiretapping had been conducted by government agencies and private individuals without the consent of the parties or legal sanction. Congress found that the contents of these tapped conversations and the evidence derived from them were being used by government and private parties as evidence in court and administrative proceedings.

Title III originally covered only "wire" and "oral" communications but was significantly revised by Title I of the ECPA in 1986 to include electronic communications. The ECPA includes two additional titles to protect the privacy of stored communications and regulate the use of "pen register" and "trap and trace" devices. See the ECPA.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure extends to the interception of communications and applies to all conversations where an individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy. See Berger v. New York, 388 U.S. 41 (1967) and Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967).

Title III establishes warrant procedures consistent with the Fourth Amendment.

General Provisions. Title III prohibits the intentional actual or attempted:

interception,
use,
disclosure, or
"procure[ment] [of] any other person to intercept or endeavor to intercept" any wire, oral, or electronic communication.
Exceptions: The Act provides exceptions for operators and service providers for uses "in the normal course of his employment while engaged in any activity which is a necessary incident to the rendition of his service" and for "persons authorized by law to intercept wire, oral, or electronic communications or to conduct electronic surveillance, as defined in section 101 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978." 18 U.S.C. § 2511.

The Act also prohibits the use of illegally obtained communications as evidence. 18 U.S.C. § 2515.

Privacy and Other Civil Liberties. Title III requires Federal, state and, other government officials to obtain judicial authorization for intercepting "wire, oral, and electronic" communications such as telephone conversations and e-mails. It also regulates the use and disclosure of information obtained through authorized wiretapping. 18 U.S.C. §§ 2516-18.

A judge may issue a warrant authorizing interception of communications for up to 30 days upon a showing of probable cause that the interception will reveal evidence that "an individual is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a particular offense" listed in § 2516. 18 U.S.C. § 2518(3).
A law enforcement or investigating officer may use, disclose to another law enforcement or investigating officer, or disclose during testimony information obtained in authorized wiretapping, provided the use or disclosure "is appropriate to the proper performance of the official duties of the officer making or receiving the disclosure." 18 U.S.C. § 2517.
Any Federal official who "receives information pursuant to this provision may use that information only as necessary in the conduct of that person’s official duties subject to any limitations on the unauthorized disclosure of such information." 18 U.S.C. § 2517.
Any willful disclosure or use by an investigative or law enforcement officer or governmental entity of information beyond the extent permitted by 18 U.S.C. §2517 is a violation 18 U.S.C. § 2520(g).

Exceptions: An exception to the requirement that government obtain a warrant before intercepting covered communications is provided where:

"any investigative or law enforcement officer, specially designated by the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, or by the principal prosecuting attorney of any State or subdivision thereof acting pursuant to a statute of that State...
reasonably determines that an emergency situation exists that involves
immediate danger of death or serious physical injury to any person,
conspiratorial activities threatening the national security interest, or
conspiratorial activities characteristic of organized crime

that requires a wire, oral, or electronic communication to be intercepted before an order authorizing such interception can, with due diligence, be obtained, and
there are grounds upon which an order could be entered under this chapter to authorize such interception."
In such an emergency situation, the Federal government may begin intercepting communications, provided "an application for an order approving the interception is made in accordance with this section within forty-eight hours after the interception has occurred, or begins to occur." In this situation, if the warrant is ultimately denied, the intercepted communications are treated as having been obtained in violation of Title III. 18 U.S.C. § 2518(7).

The federal wiretap laws preempt all state law to the extent that no state may allow access to wire, oral, or electronic communications with less justification than required by federal law. Thus the federal laws establish the minimum privacy protections for all wire, oral or electronic communications that no state may relax. However, states may impose greater requirements upon state investigators and private citizens than those required by federal law. For example, some states may not authorize state investigation access to certain types of communications. Other states may require all parties to a communication to consent to a recording of it, where the federal law requires only one-party consent. Individual state law should be consulted to determine whether state interception of communications is authorized, and if so, what standards should be applied.


https://it.ojp.gov/PrivacyLiberty/authorities/statutes/1284
 
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