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[Walt]

The Creationists make the same demand. They want us to pretend their is a debate before they will discuss anything. There is no debate. Creationism is not part of science. Science is so far moved past debating Creationism, it really does not even contribute anything to the debate.

First you say there's no debate ...
... then in the very next sentence, you insist that there is a debate.

Let me dumb this down for you. There are plenty of debates in science, but no debate in mainstream science about Creationism. We are debating the mechanisms of evolution. You are not part of the debate. Maybe 150 years ago, your ideas were part of the debate, but not during any of lifetimes.

There is no debate involving you. The CDC is not researching Noah's Ark as an origin of disease.

 

[IBDaMann]

The Theory of Creation is but a theory. It is no different from the Theory of Evolution or the Theory of Abiogenesis. NONE of them are science.

A theory is not a debate. It is a theory.

No one ever said the Theory of Creation was a theory of science. The Theory of Evolution and the Theory of Abiogenesis are not theories of science either.

Science is not debate. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. The Theory of Creation is not falsifiable. The Theory of Evolution is not falsifiable. The Theory of Abiogenesis is not falsifiable. ALL of these three theories are nonscientific theories.

@ Into the Night, you were very kind.

@ Walt, it would appear that you have found someone willing to invest the time to help you learn something. Don't throw away this opportunity. Show Into the Night you can actually learn something if you try. Baby steps.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Counter Point:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1636055839101575174

 

[Hawkeye10]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635874573819191298

 

[IBDaMann]

Let me dumb this down for you.

Isn't that all you're able to do? It's not like you will ever elevate a discussion intellectually.

There are plenty of debates in science,

Nope. There are zero debates in science. That's the nature of science. Science is not subjective; there is no room for nuance or opinions. Learn what science is.

but no debate in mainstream science about Creationism.

Crap, you might be beyond help. The word "mainstream" applies to religions. You think science is a religion. You probably think science is run by consensus. I hope Into the Night realizes you are this far gone before endeavoring in futile efforts.

We are debating the mechanisms of evolution.

Nope. Science has genetics models ... and they are not up for debate. They are up for falsification.

Darwin's theory of evolution is speculation, not science, and is totally debatable on all accounts. I just pity the person who tries to debate it with me, but I digress.

You are not part of the debate.

Nobody is foolish enough to debate Darwin's theory with me. All are welcome, however, to learn from me.

Maybe 150 years ago, your ideas were part of the debate, but not during any of lifetimes.

There is no debate involving you. The CDC is not researching Noah's Ark as an origin of disease.

You are babbling ... and drooling.

 

[AProudLefty]

Nope. There are zero debates in science. That's the nature of science. Science is not subjective; there is no room for nuance or opinions. Learn what science is.

Yes there are discussions/debates in science. For example, which circuit board is the most effective/fast. Which paths are the best. The problem of the Traveling Salesman.

Nobody is foolish enough to debate Darwin's theory with me. All are welcome, however, to learn from me.

 

[IBDaMann]

Yes there are discussions/debates in science.

Stupid. There are only debates over SUBJECTIVE topics. You should have learned that long ago.

For example, which circuit board is the most effective/fast.

That's not science. We've been over this. You haven't the vaguest idea what science is. As such, you are relegated to making only stupid comments on the subject.

Which paths are the best. The problem of the Traveling Salesman.

Potentially a math topic but not science.

Cope.

 

[AProudLefty]

Stupid. There are only debates over SUBJECTIVE topics. You should have learned that long ago.


That's not science. We've been over this. You haven't the vaguest idea what science is. As such, you are relegated to making only stupid comments on the subject.


Potentially a math topic but not science.

Cope.

Okay I'll bite. What is science?

BTW, mathematics is a part of science.

 

[IBDaMann]

Okay I'll bite. What is science?

Great question. You might very well be the first leftist to pursue the answer to that question.

Science, also called the body of science, is the set of falsifiable models that predict nature, the null hypotheses of which have survived the scientific method, and that have not been falsified.

Your certificate will be available for pickup in the lobby.

BTW, mathematics is a part of science.

Mathematics is not part of science; it is often the method of expression. Chemistry uses different symbology.

 

[AProudLefty]

Great question. You might very well be the first leftist to pursue the answer to that question.

Science, also called the body of science, is the set of falsifiable models that predict nature

Correct. Science is the set of falsifiable theories that predict nature.

Here's your first grade certificate. Congratulations.

Mathematics is not part of science; it is often the method of expression. Chemistry uses different symbology.

Yes it is. Quantum Mechanics, General Relativity, theory of electronics, computer science, engineering, and such, rely on the science of mathematics.

If you understand that, you'll get another certificate.

 

[AProudLefty]

Chemistry uses different symbology.

It is clear you have not taken chemistry.

Do you know what s, p, d, f are?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Random numbers are not evidence, twit.

^^^
Sybil thinks the Moon Landing is "random numbers". LOL

 

[Into the Night]

Let me dumb this down for you. There are plenty of debates in science, but no debate in mainstream science about Creationism. We are debating the mechanisms of evolution. You are not part of the debate. Maybe 150 years ago, your ideas were part of the debate, but not during any of lifetimes.

There is no debate involving you. The CDC is not researching Noah's Ark as an origin of disease.

There is no debate. You are just spewing religion as your 'debate'. You are not debating.
The Theory of Creation is not a theory of science. It states the life arrived on Earth through the action of an intelligence (not necessarily a god).
The Theory of Evolution is not a theory of science. It states that 'higher' life forms (such as Man) evolved from 'lower' life forms (such as bacteria).
The Theory of Abiogenesis is not a theory of science. It states that life originated on Earth through a series of random unspecified events.

These are nonscientific theories. Science has NO theories about past unobserved events.

You are not debating. You are preaching. There's a difference.

Science is completely atheistic. It does not care whether a god or gods exist or not. It simply doesn't go there.

 

[Into the Night]

Isn't that all you're able to do? It's not like you will ever elevate a discussion intellectually.


Nope. There are zero debates in science. That's the nature of science. Science is not subjective; there is no room for nuance or opinions. Learn what science is.

Crap, you might be beyond help. The word "mainstream" applies to religions. You think science is a religion. You probably think science is run by consensus. I hope Into the Night realizes you are this far gone before endeavoring in futile efforts.


Nope. Science has genetics models ... and they are not up for debate. They are up for falsification.

Darwin's theory of evolution is speculation, not science, and is totally debatable on all accounts. I just pity the person who tries to debate it with me, but I digress.


Nobody is foolish enough to debate Darwin's theory with me. All are welcome, however, to learn from me.


You are babbling ... and drooling.

He may be far gone, but others watch these threads. I may enlighten them. I do what I can.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes there are discussions/debates in science.

None.

For example, which circuit board is the most effective/fast.

Not a theory at all. Not a theory of science.

Which paths are the best.

Not a theory at all. Not a theory of science.

The problem of the Traveling Salesman.

Not a theory at all. Not a theory of science.

Mathematics is not science. Logic is not science.

It is obvious you don't know what science is. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all.

 

[AProudLefty]

None.

Not a theory at all. Not a theory of science.

Not a theory at all. Not a theory of science.

Not a theory at all. Not a theory of science.

Mathematics is not science. Logic is not science.

It is obvious you don't know what science is. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all.

Psychoquackery. Psychobabbling. Trolling. Chanting.

 

[Into the Night]

Stupid. There are only debates over SUBJECTIVE topics. You should have learned that long ago.


That's not science. We've been over this. You haven't the vaguest idea what science is. As such, you are relegated to making only stupid comments on the subject.


Potentially a math topic but not science.

Cope.

The Traveling Salesman problem is based on random number mathematics and a closed network. It is primarily an exercise in using randN and applying a 'cost' to each node traveled, seeking the lowest total cost. It is not science.

 

[Into the Night]

Okay I'll bite. What is science?

BTW, mathematics is a part of science.

Redefinition fallacy. Mathematics is not science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It is an open functional system. There are no proofs in science.
Mathematics is a closed functional system based on a given set of rules (called axioms). Like any closed functional system, proofs are available.

Mathematics is not science. Science is not mathematics. One may use the other, but they are not the same thing.

 

[Into the Night]

Correct. Science is the set of falsifiable theories that predict nature.

Here's your first grade certificate. Congratulations.



Yes it is. Quantum Mechanics, General Relativity, theory of electronics, computer science, engineering, and such, rely on the science of mathematics.

If you understand that, you'll get another certificate.

Mathematics is not science.
There is no 'theory of electronics'. Engineering is not science. Quantum mechanics is a branch of science. Like any theories of science, they are usually transcribed into mathematical form (called a 'law').

 

[AProudLefty]

The Traveling Salesman problem is based on random number mathematics and a closed network. It is primarily an exercise in using randN and applying a 'cost' to each node traveled, seeking the lowest total cost. It is not science.

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