maineman
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yawn.
same old same old....
Other than Gore in '02, none of those democrats expressed absolute certainty about the existence of stockpiles of WMD's.
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yawn.
same old same old....
Other than Gore in '02, none of those democrats expressed absolute certainty about the existence of stockpiles of WMD's.
Again, aside from your inane bloviating and deflections, I was describing two Presidents as Democrats because ALL Presidents are Democratic whether they are Republicans or Democrats you dolt.
So aside from your massive attempts to troll this thread completely off topic with your juvenile antics, how does this remove the FACT that two Democrat Presidents got us into Vietnam, mismanaged the effort atrociously causing massive loss of life and yet you want to wine and rant about Richard Nixon who was the REPUBLICAN who actually ended the war by the end of his FIRST term?
christiefan915
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1. Was there an imminent threat to the US from Iraq, yes or no?
2. How many repubs voted yes on the Iraq war resolution?
Yep, with brain dead Liberals it is always the tired old same ol same ol....
So what part of "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation" do you think is not absolute certainty you dolt?
What is uncertain about "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Where is the uncertainty in "We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities" ?
What we can be certain of is the incredible massive hypocrisy that resides with the left and Democrats and their propensity to lie, deflect and distort the historic record for purely partisan political purposes and the naked political desire for power.
maineman
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tell that to the families of the soldiers who died after 1973 in Nam and whose names are on the black wall.
Is there a point to your questions of which the answers are easily obtained by doing a simple google search?
I am amused when brain dead Liberals argue this “imminent threat” claim for Iraq yet think Obama would be justified using it with Syria.
Does UN and US action have to be justified only if there is an imminent threat to our nation? If so, why?
Read the Joint Resolution; become informed instead of a parrot for moronic DNC talking points.
christiefan915
Catalyst
And you want to ignore that Ike sent military advisors in 1954.
maineman
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nope. None of those quotes - except for Gore's - expresses absolute certainty about the existence of stockpiles of WMD's. Learn to read for comprehension somewhere above the My Weekly Reader level.
What the hell does this have to do with the FACTS I corrected you on you petulant partisan buffoon. Nixon didn't send them there; they were there as a result of Kennedy and Johnson; people you probably supported. They came home thanks to Nixon.
maineman
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What the hell does this have to do with the FACTS I corrected you on you petulant partisan buffoon. Nixon didn't send them there; they were there as a result of Kennedy and Johnson; people you probably supported. They came home thanks to Nixon.
it is not a fact that Nixon ended the war before the end of his first term. Nixon told us in '68 that he had a secret plan to end the war quickly... little did we know that plan was the invasion of Cambodia! LOL
christiefan915
Catalyst
I don't need a google search to know that we were under no imminent threat from Iraq, but apparently you do.
I can also understand your embarrassment in knowing that only one repub voted against the resolution. Their gullibility and lock-step acquiescence to bush lies is undeniable.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Quickly, huh! When did the last plane leave Vietnam, 1973?
christiefan915
Catalyst
Yoo hoo, philly. Was Scott Camil a liar? Was Ron Ridenhour a liar?
"...burning of villages with civilians in them, the cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads, torturing of prisoners, calling in of artillery on villages for games, corpsmen killing wounded prisoners, napalm dropped on villages, women being raped, women and children being massacred, CS gas used on people, animals slaughtered, Chieu Hoi passes rejected and the people holding them shot, bodies shoved out of helicopters, tear-gassing people for fun and running civilian vehicles off the road.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Camil#cite_note-2"
'Winter Soldier', a Remembrance of Vietnam Atrocities
Are you desperately trying to assert that Eisenhower got us involved in Vietnam? REALLY?
Read; become informed:
During his term, Eisenhower will greatly increase U.S. military aid to the French in Vietnam to prevent a Communist victory. U.S. military advisors will continue to accompany American supplies sent to Vietnam.
President Eisenhower dismisses the conventional air raid and the nuclear option after getting a strong negative response to such actions from America's chief ally, Britain. Eisenhower also decides against sending U.S. ground troops to rescue the French, citing the likelihood of high casualty rates in the jungles around Dien Bien Phu. No action is taken.
January 1961 - Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev pledges support for "wars of national liberation" throughout the world. His statement greatly encourages Communists in North Vietnam to escalate their armed struggle to unify Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh.
January 20, 1961- John Fitzgerald Kennedy is inaugurated as the 35th U.S. President and declares "...we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to insure the survival and the success of liberty."
The youthful Kennedy administration is inexperienced in matters regarding Southeast Asia. Kennedy's Secretary of Defense, 44-year-old Robert McNamara, along with civilian planners recruited from the academic community, will play a crucial role in deciding White House strategy for Vietnam over the next several years. Under their leadership, the United States will war to force a political settlement.
However, the U.S. will be opposed by an enemy dedicated to total military victory "...whatever the sacrifices, however long the struggle...until Vietnam is fully independent and reunified," as stated by Ho Chi Minh.
May 1961 - President Kennedy sends 400 American Green Beret 'Special Advisors' to South Vietnam to train South Vietnamese soldiers in methods of 'counter-insurgency' in the fight against Viet Cong guerrillas.
The role of the Green Berets soon expands to include the establishment of Civilian Irregular Defense Groups (CIDG) made up of fierce mountain men known as the Montagnards. These groups establish a series of fortified camps strung out along the mountains to thwart infiltration by North Vietnamese.
October 24, 1961 - On the sixth anniversary of the Republic of South Vietnam, President Kennedy sends a letter to President Diem and pledges "the United States is determined to help Vietnam preserve its independence..."
President Kennedy then sends additional military advisors along with American helicopter units to transport and direct South Vietnamese troops in battle, thus involving Americans in combat operations. Kennedy justifies the expanding U.S. military role as a means "...to prevent a Communist takeover of Vietnam which is in accordance with a policy our government has followed since 1954." The number of military advisors sent by Kennedy will eventually surpass 16,000.
August 4, 1964 - Although immediate doubts arise concerning the validity of the second attack, the Joint Chiefs of Staff strongly recommend a retaliatory bombing raid against North Vietnam.
Press reports in America greatly embellish the second attack with spectacular eyewitness accounts although no journalists had been on board the destroyers.
At the White House, President Johnson decides to retaliate. Thus, the first bombing of North Vietnam by the United States occurs as oil facilities and naval targets are attacked without warning by 64 U.S. Navy fighter bombers. "Our response for the present will be limited and fitting," President Johnson tells Americans during a midnight TV appearance, an hour after the attack began. "We Americans know, although others appear to forget, the risk of spreading conflict. We still seek no wider war."
Two Navy jets are shot down during the bombing raids, resulting in the first American prisoner of war, Lt. Everett Alvarez of San Jose, California, who is taken to an internment center in Hanoi, later dubbed the "Hanoi Hilton" by the nearly six hundred American airmen who become POWs.
March 8, 1965 - The first U.S. combat troops arrive in Vietnam as 3500 Marines land at China Beach to defend the American air base at Da Nang. They join 23,000 American military advisors already in Vietnam.
May 3, 1965 - The first U.S. Army combat troops, 3500 men of the 173rd Airborne Brigade, arrive in Vietnam.
December 25, 1965 - The second pause in the bombing of North Vietnam occurs. This will last for 37 days while the U.S. attempts to pressure North Vietnam into a negotiated peace. However, the North Vietnamese denounce the bombing halt as a "trick" and continue Viet Cong terrorist activities in the South.
By year's end U.S. troop levels in Vietnam reached 184,300. An estimated 90,000 South Vietnamese soldiers deserted in 1965, while an estimated 35,000 soldiers from North Vietnam infiltrated the South via the Ho Chi Minh trail. Up to 50 percent of the countryside in South Vietnam is now under some degree of Viet Cong control.
December 27, 1966 - The U.S. mounts a large-scale air assault against suspected Viet Cong positions in the Mekong Delta using Napalm and hundreds of tons of bombs.
By year's end, U.S. troop levels reach 389,000 with 5008 combat deaths and 30,093 wounded. Over half of the American causalities are caused by snipers and small-arms fire during Viet Cong ambushes, along with handmade booby traps and mines planted everywhere in the countryside by Viet Cong. American Allies fighting in Vietnam include 45,000 soldiers from South Korea and 7000 Australians. An estimated 89,000 soldiers from North Vietnam infiltrated the South via the Ho Chi Minh trail in 1966.
July 1967 - General Westmoreland requests an additional 200,000 reinforcements on top of the 475,000 soldiers already scheduled to be sent to Vietnam, which would bring the U.S. total in Vietnam to 675,000. President Johnson agrees only to an extra 45,000.
September 30, 1968 - The 900th U.S. aircraft is shot down over North Vietnam.
November 27, 1968 - President-elect Nixon asks Harvard professor Henry Kissinger to be his National Security Advisor. Kissinger accepts.
By year's end, U.S. troop levels reached 495,000 with 30,000 American deaths to date. In 1968, over a thousand a month were killed.
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1961.html
I didn't state BEFORE; I clearly stated BY the end of..... why do you so desperately avoid the truth and the facts in your partisan efforts to attack Nixon, the man who got us OUT of Vietnam, while supporting Democrats who got us INTO Vietnam?
Apparently, due to your leftist partisan goggles you wear, you can't grasp the reality that there does not need to be an "imminent" threat to the US to conduct combat operations.
Using that moronic logic; the US should never have ejected Saddam from Kuwait because there was no imminent threat to the US.
Do you support Obama on Syria? Where is the "imminent threat"?
Again; read and become informed instead of a parrot of moronic DNC talking points:
January 23, 1973 - President Nixon announces that an agreement has been reached which will "end the war and bring peace with honor."
January 27, 1973 - The Paris Peace Accords are signed by the U.S., North Vietnam, South Vietnam and the Viet Cong. Under the terms, the U.S. agrees to immediately halt all military activities and withdraw all remaining military personnel within 60 days. The North Vietnamese agree to an immediate cease-fire and the release of all American POWs within 60 days. An estimated 150,000 North Vietnamese soldiers presently in South Vietnam are allowed to remain. Vietnam is still divided. South Vietnam is considered to be one country with two governments, one led by President Thieu, the other led by Viet Cong, pending future reconciliation.
January 27, 1973 - Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird announces the draft is ended in favor of voluntary enlistment.
January 27, 1973 - The last American soldier to die in combat in Vietnam, Lt. Col. William B. Nolde, is killed.
March 29, 1973 - The last remaining American troops withdraw from Vietnam as President Nixon declares "the day we have all worked and prayed for has finally come."
America's longest war, and its first defeat, thus concludes. During 15 years of military involvement, over 2 million Americans served in Vietnam with 500,000 seeing actual combat. 47,244 were killed in action, including 8000 airmen. There were 10,446 non-combat deaths. 153,329 were seriously wounded, including 10,000 amputees. Over 2400 American POWs/MIAs were unaccounted for as of 1973.
Nixons second term began in January 1973. DUH.
christiefan915
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We should not be meddling in other countries' business, period.
No, we should not have gotten involved in Kuwait. It was a farce, just a few years earlier Saddam was our pal and Rummy was shaking hands with him.
No, I do not support Obama on Syria, as I've said countless times.