Last Universal Common Ancestor

Doc Dutch said:
That said, it appears that the key factor here, given there is life, is time. Since we only have one example to go by, it’s difficult to judge, but the example we have indicates that all life evolves towards higher forms
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Carcinization.

I'd recommend you google it.

Evolution doesn't tend toward anything. If you understood it you would know that. It only values survival. That's why we still have single celled organisms.

You really don't have much in the way of education do you?
 
Doc Dutch said:
I asked you to name one and you ran as predicted. Fine.
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That's because I don't think there are necessarily any.

Do you have problems with reading? I mean no offense but you seem somewhat confused. I don't believe anyone on here has a PhD just based on what I see posted. Why you would think I would then be able to name on is beyond me.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
It fascinates me what your threshold for "violence" is. But it's understandable if you are an evangelical and you see any atheism as a violence against you and your faith.

I don't mean your faith any harm.
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I also felt Doc was religious. I am glad I'm not the only person getting that vibe. I'm an atheist and I mean no harm to anyone's faith. If they are able to discuss it, fine, but if they simply can't I find it is best to back away a bit. I am fascinated by folks like Doc Dutch who appears to have some deeply held religious faith but who acts in a manner more befitting the "violent atheists" he sees everywhere.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Planets with atmospheres of hydrogen sulfide, methane, and carbon dioxide with only microbes for life would make for a boring TV show.
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Perhaps for you.

That said, it appears that the key factor here, given there is life, is time. Since we only have one example to go by, it’s difficult to judge, but the example we have indicates that all life evolves towards higher forms. This fits with the Red Queen hypothesis since the first rule of evolution is survival.
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Why would evolution drive toward anything? The gold standard is just to be able to pass genes along. We still have bacteria that fill their ecological positions so well that they've had no reason to evolve into anything "higher". We still have coelenterates like sponges which appear to be little more than communities of a couple different types of animals. They've been around since the Cambrian at least.

This idea that evolution drives TOWARD anything is what trips up Creationists as well. It is a general misunderstanding of the science but it mirrors the view that "humans" are somehow the "crown of creation". As if the ultimate goal of all life is to be "human" which is incorrect.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Planets with atmospheres of hydrogen sulfide, methane, and carbon dioxide with only microbes for life would make for a boring TV show. :)

That said, it appears that the key factor here, given there is life, is time. Since we only have one example to go by, it’s difficult to judge, but the example we have indicates that all life evolves towards higher forms. This fits with the Red Queen hypothesis since the first rule of evolution is survival.
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I don't see that evolution neccessily inevitably results in intelligent life capable of technology.

For all we know, Homo sapiens are an evolutionary fluke, or one off. We could be extinct in 100k years.

The most successful evolutionary forms of life, adapted to all conditions and climates, are arthropods, tardigrades, prokaryotes. They have been around for hundreds of millions to billions of years, and they will probably still be here in 500 million years
 
Perry Phimosis said:
No, delete sometimes doesn't work.

And I have only one account. I believe it is YOU who many feel have multiple accounts. I am supposedly one of your socks! And I occasionally respond to you so that others will be fooled into thinking we are two different people.

Or not.

You pick. :)
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^^^
Blames the computer for user error.
 
Cypress said:
I don't see that evolution neccessily inevitably results in intelligent life capable of technology.

For all we know, Homo sapiens are an evolutionary fluke, or one off. We could be extinct in 100k years.

The most successful evolutionary forms of life, adapted to all conditions and climates, are arthropods, tardigrades, prokaryotes. They have been around for hundreds of millions to billions of years, and they will probably still be here in 500 million years
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Agreed on tech. Evolution does move toward survival which even Jank admitted. In our case, it involved tech, but it could be simply smarter, stronger and sharper claws.

We only have one example but agreed that intelligent life doesn’t necessarily involve tool-makers capable of space travel.

Agreed…but eventually they’ll go extinct for one reason or another.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
Evolution doesn't tend toward anything. If you understood it you would know that. It only values survival.
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Nice, Perry PhD. You just contradicted yourself. Evolution doesn’t do anything. It doesn’t tend nor does it value. What happens is that organisms which survive their environment survive and those that don’t won’t survive. This is why species are constantly going extinct for one reason or another. There have been five mass extinctions and we’re the middle of the sixth.
 
NovoJank said:
I also felt Doc was religious. I am glad I'm not the only person getting that vibe. I'm an atheist and I mean no harm to anyone's faith. If they are able to discuss it, fine, but if they simply can't I find it is best to back away a bit. I am fascinated by folks like Doc Dutch who appears to have some deeply held religious faith but who acts in a manner more befitting the "violent atheists" he sees everywhere.
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You’re free to feel anything you want, Jank, and I’m free to call you on it no matter how much it pisses you off.
 
NovoJank said:
That's because I don't think there are necessarily any.

Do you have problems with reading? I mean no offense but you seem somewhat confused. I don't believe anyone on here has a PhD just based on what I see posted. Why you would think I would then be able to name on is beyond me.
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Agreed. There’s no evidence of any PhDs on JPP.
 
NovoJank said:
Perhaps for you.

Why would evolution drive toward anything? The gold standard is just to be able to pass genes along. We still have bacteria that fill their ecological positions so well that they've had no reason to evolve into anything "higher". We still have coelenterates like sponges which appear to be little more than communities of a couple different types of animals. They've been around since the Cambrian at least.

This idea that evolution drives TOWARD anything is what trips up Creationists as well. It is a general misunderstanding of the science but it mirrors the view that "humans" are somehow the "crown of creation". As if the ultimate goal of all life is to be "human" which is incorrect.
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I have no doubt you’d be fascinated watching a tank full of water and a few Amoeba one hour a week, Jank.

It moves toward survival. Scroll up. This was covered days ago.

Creationists = fair tale believers and are contradictory of science. Get a clue, son.
 
NovoJank said:
That's a very different thing from your earlier claim that it goes toward higher developed creatures.
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I’m not responsible for your leaps of logic and assumptions, Jank. Feel free to blame others for your mistakes and others are free to call you on it.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
I had not heard about the 3rd and Fourth. Can you point to the actual verses?
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the imperative version...
Gen 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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the poem, beginning with the Hebrew word usually translated as "Now"......typically used to denote the beginning of Hebrew poetry......
Gen1:2-2:1
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
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The narrative version starting with Genesis 2:4
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[d] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
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The often overlooked version: Job 38-42
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2038&version=NIV
 
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