Lead by example...

Jarod said:
You cite where the president said people should voluntarily donate money to the treasury!
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he didn't say one way or the other. i've already stated that. it is you liberals who proclaim he only meant involuntary. you can't back up your claim. he simply said he should pay more taxes. he never said only if the government makes me.
 
Onceler said:
Now THAT is a shite analogy.

You're a really dopey person, Yurt.
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yeah...really good come back. what intelligence on display. the teacher and CIC analogy is golden. they both tell others what to do, but they are not expected to do exactly what they tell others to do and they can still lead by example. your logic is this: a president can't lead the troops by his professional example unless he cleans the latrines, sits in foxholes, etc....pure nonsense. i know this is very hard for you to understand, but, perhaps if you tried just a little bit harder you might be able to grasp it.
 
Yurt said:
he didn't say one way or the other. i've already stated that. it is you liberals who proclaim he only meant involuntary. you can't back up your claim. he simply said he should pay more taxes. he never said only if the government makes me.
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A tax, by definition, is required otherwise it's called a donation.
 
Yurt said:
nope...you don't have to take the deductions etc....there is no law compelling to have a lower effective tax rate. taking deductions is optional.
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Sure, but it's not tax then it's a contribution!
 
Yurt said:
yeah...really good come back. what intelligence on display. the teacher and CIC analogy is golden. they both tell others what to do, but they are not expected to do exactly what they tell others to do and they can still lead by example. your logic is this: a president can't lead the troops by his professional example unless he cleans the latrines, sits in foxholes, etc....pure nonsense. i know this is very hard for you to understand, but, perhaps if you tried just a little bit harder you might be able to grasp it.
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Damo's words, Yurtsie - it's about asking others to do something which you do not do. That's all it is. Has nothing to do w/ the "CIC" red herring.

You and Damo brought that up because you know you cornered yourselves. At least he had the good sense to bail - you just look like a fool...
 
Onceler said:
Damo's words, Yurtsie - it's about asking others to do something which you do not do. That's all it is. Has nothing to do w/ the "CIC" red herring.

You and Damo brought that up because you know you cornered yourselves. At least he had the good sense to bail - you just look like a fool...
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yuckie has always been the big fool
 
Onceler said:
Damo's words, Yurtsie - it's about asking others to do something which you do not do. That's all it is. Has nothing to do w/ the "CIC" red herring.

You and Damo brought that up because you know you cornered yourselves. At least he had the good sense to bail - you just look like a fool...
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you tried to claim that bush should take a musket to iraq if we expect obama to pay more taxes. thank you for finally admitting your CIC "analogy" (read not an analogy at all) is nothing but a red herring. you brought it up, not me. seriously, now you will resort lies because you cornered yourself in a indefensible position and will falsely claim it was really the other person's position. lol.
 
Jarod said:
Sure, but it's not tax then it's a contribution!
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what? not claiming a deduction is a contribution? lmao. there is no law that says you have to use every deduction or loop hole to avoid paying --- follow me now -- taxes. yeah...the deductions reduce taxes jarod.

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Yurt said:
you tried to claim that bush should take a musket to iraq if we expect obama to pay more taxes. thank you for finally admitting your CIC "analogy" (read not an analogy at all) is nothing but a red herring. you brought it up, not me. seriously, now you will resort lies because you cornered yourself in a indefensible position and will falsely claim it was really the other person's position. lol.
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I didn't bring up the CIC analogy.

You're really an idiot.
 
Onceler said:
I didn't bring up the CIC analogy.

You're really an idiot.
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you claimed i brought it up. that is a flat out lie. who is the idiot now? go link up to damo bringing it up. the only person i saw bring it up was YOU. you said that damo and my logic is that bush should go to iraq with a musket in his hands. i don't believe you that damo brought it up. one thing is for certain, i did not.

i'm sure you won't admit you lied though.
 
Onceler said:
Damo, just repeating "childlike" isn't doing much for you. Just an FYI there.

Actually, my musket analogy was the equivalent - because individual action in that case would be just as empty symbolically and ineffective as Obama paying more taxes himself. That's where the whole collective action thing comes in.

With your NATO analogy, an equivalent might be if Obama was trying to get a group of people in his bracket to voluntarily pay more, but didn't himself.

Stay on point.
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:lolup:

ooooops...busted again
 
Onceler said:
Damo's words, Yurtsie - it's about asking others to do something which you do not do. That's all it is. Has nothing to do w/ the "CIC" red herring.

You and Damo brought that up because you know you cornered yourselves. At least he had the good sense to bail - you just look like a fool...
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Please, I simply pointed out the flaw in your analogy. It was, as I said back then, childlike. Then we had a few more posts where you brought the argument right back to the beginning, where you complained about me repeating things. We talked about that a bit, then I got busy and had to work...

Anyway, I stand by what I said. As for questions about Romney and Viet Nam, if he was promoting everybody to join the military and didn't then he would be a hypocrite. It is possible he was one, but I haven't read anything he was making policy about back then.

Now, if he did like Cheney and supported the war but dodged the draft I would say he was a hypocrite at that time. Now was LBJ a hypocrite for leading the effort but not taking up a "musket"? No, his role was as CIC.
 
Yurt said:
:lolup:

ooooops...busted again
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How? I didn't deny bringing up Bush w/ a musket. As I've said quite a few times, it is irrelevant to him being CIC.

Damo said it's hypocritical to ask others to do something you're not willing to do yourself, and first - period. What about that is rocket science for you?

You're really such a dope....
 
Here's Damo's line once again - just for some help:

"If you are unwilling to do what you believe should be the action of others, you are literally participating in hypocrisy."

So, w/ Bush, that somehow becomes "putting in harm's way" for "action of others," but "assembling a coalition" for Bush, because he's CIC, or something to that effect.

You guys should really quit while you're waaaaaay behind....
 
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