Let's be honest about how we live.

Man, there has been a slew of options and alternatives offered. Here's just one look:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-standardized-testing-for-student-assessment/

Oh, and I was wrong about Einstein.

As nice as the results seem, I haven't seen concrete methodology. I mean, it seems from something I read that they send a rep to a school, who then 'normalizes' that school and then develops a plan not unlike this common core thing I hear about. I'm rather confused about what exactly they do, or how students are ranked or graded.

http://performanceassessment.org/articles/DataReport_NY_PSC.pdf
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the main problem with our society is that it's based on competition for limited resources and opportunities. This starts as early as grade school, were it is imbedded into your mind that unless you past certain test within a certain time frame, you are essentially finished and of no use to society other than the most menial and unpleasant jobs and living conditions.

That means there are winners and losers....and the winners really don't want to be bothered with the losers beyond a certain point (i.e., servitude or entertainment).

Mind you, there are factions of our society that are compassionate...which is why you have charities, soup kitchens, etc. And there are factions that are rational and practical....which is why you have social security, unemployment insurance and welfare.

But a large portion of the "winners" balk at the very notion of a fraction of their earnings be put into a communal trust so that people don't end up homeless beggars on the street. Which is essentially irrational, given that these same people don't want to have to deal with crime and living next to squalor.

And let's face it, people are NOT going to ceremonially commit suicide because they don't make the grade for this job or that career, or are suddenly jobless and homeless due to the mismanagement, greed or illicit activities of some of the winners. So yes, there will be crime of all sorts....and then there will be people who just snap and commit acts of violence. And then there will be those who are overwhelmed with despair and take to drugs and alcohol. Or those who will create "alternative" means to make a living that may not sit well with the winner's idealism.

And the "winners" will surround themselves with gates and walls and paid security....and expect that waiter to have that dinner on time and properly served, or that cup of coffee and doughnut ready in the morning (while driving/walking on clean streets). It's not their concern that the people who keep the lights on or mine the metal ore or do all the little things can't afford to live where they work or afford the items they produce.

Hence the problems we see now.

Do I have the solution to all of this? Well, I could say "learn to share and be nice to each other", or "stop penalizing women in the workplace for being able to give birth" or "you don't have to like or agree with someone to give them the respect and courtesy YOU expect" or "stop being greedy" or "just give people a decent wage to afford simple, decent living" or "acknowledge that smart, rich people can be corrupt and should be stopped"......but these seem to be to hard for most people to accept, let alone do.

CHANGE IS HARD, BUT DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER HOPING FOR DIFFERENT RESULTS IS INSANE.

So it's back to discussion, voting, advocating, and the threat of civil unrest/violence. Who knows, maybe people will catch on before turning the world into a garbage heap and incurring the wrath of God and nature (aka- "global warming")? Let's hope so.
Well the first step towards a solution is to recognize that competition for limited resources and opportunities is not part of human nature, it is part of the nature for all living organisms. Period.

Competition is an inescapable fact of life. There is nothing humans can do to change that. What we can do, that other animals cannot, is to create the rules of civilized society which level the playing field in as much as that is possible. But to try and eliminate competition is a death philosophy as it is to deny a very fundamental natural fact of our existence and a law of nature.
 
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those numbers you cited are from people owning property and now that property is NOT worth what is was worth and many of those people LOST some of their property in the mess as well
 
those numbers you cited are from people owning property and now that property is NOT worth what is was worth and many of those people LOST some of their property in the mess as well

But there is still no evidence to show that "most" rich people inherited their money. That is pure bunk.
 
I don't recall saying that?


Oh and if you want to disprove something you can supply some proof of your ascertions huh.

I don't recall saying anything that racist, but that didn't stop you from calling me one. And, as I recall, you continued to refuse to provide any evidence.

But yes, I did provide evidence of my assertions.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Man, there has been a slew of options and alternatives offered. Here's just one look:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...nt-assessment/

Oh, and I was wrong about Einstein.


As nice as the results seem, I haven't seen concrete methodology. I mean, it seems from something I read that they send a rep to a school, who then 'normalizes' that school and then develops a plan not unlike this common core thing I hear about. I'm rather confused about what exactly they do, or how students are ranked or graded.

http://performanceassessment.org/articles/DataReport_NY_PSC.pdf

I agree, it's confusing......rather than just teach, grade, evaluate results and confer with teachers & parents as to what can be done better, etc.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the main problem with our society is that it's based on competition for limited resources and opportunities. This starts as early as grade school, were it is imbedded into your mind that unless you past certain test within a certain time frame, you are essentially finished and of no use to society other than the most menial and unpleasant jobs and living conditions.

That means there are winners and losers....and the winners really don't want to be bothered with the losers beyond a certain point (i.e., servitude or entertainment).

Mind you, there are factions of our society that are compassionate...which is why you have charities, soup kitchens, etc. And there are factions that are rational and practical....which is why you have social security, unemployment insurance and welfare.

But a large portion of the "winners" balk at the very notion of a fraction of their earnings be put into a communal trust so that people don't end up homeless beggars on the street. Which is essentially irrational, given that these same people don't want to have to deal with crime and living next to squalor.

And let's face it, people are NOT going to ceremonially commit suicide because they don't make the grade for this job or that career, or are suddenly jobless and homeless due to the mismanagement, greed or illicit activities of some of the winners. So yes, there will be crime of all sorts....and then there will be people who just snap and commit acts of violence. And then there will be those who are overwhelmed with despair and take to drugs and alcohol. Or those who will create "alternative" means to make a living that may not sit well with the winner's idealism.

And the "winners" will surround themselves with gates and walls and paid security....and expect that waiter to have that dinner on time and properly served, or that cup of coffee and doughnut ready in the morning (while driving/walking on clean streets). It's not their concern that the people who keep the lights on or mine the metal ore or do all the little things can't afford to live where they work or afford the items they produce.

Hence the problems we see now.

Do I have the solution to all of this? Well, I could say "learn to share and be nice to each other", or "stop penalizing women in the workplace for being able to give birth" or "you don't have to like or agree with someone to give them the respect and courtesy YOU expect" or "stop being greedy" or "just give people a decent wage to afford simple, decent living" or "acknowledge that smart, rich people can be corrupt and should be stopped"......but these seem to be to hard for most people to accept, let alone do.

CHANGE IS HARD, BUT DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER HOPING FOR DIFFERENT RESULTS IS INSANE.

So it's back to discussion, voting, advocating, and the threat of civil unrest/violence. Who knows, maybe people will catch on before turning the world into a garbage heap and incurring the wrath of God and nature (aka- "global warming")? Let's hope so.


Well the first step towards a solution is to recognize that competition for limited resources and opportunities is not part of human nature, it is part of the nature for all living organisms. Period.

Up to a certain point....you must remember that an industrialized society creates artificial areas of competition.

Competition is an inescapable fact of life. There is nothing humans can do to change that. What we can do, that other animals cannot, is to create the rules of civilized society which level the playing field in as much as that is possible. But to try and eliminate competition is a death philosophy as it is to deny a very fundamental natural fact of our existence and a law of nature.

I'm not saying "eliminate" competition, that is how you determine who is the better person for what job. What I'm saying is that as we create our own reality outside of nature, then let us NOT throw people away or condemn them to the bottom of the heap based on a few tests.

In this I think we are in agreement.
 
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