Let's Go, Get Woke, America!
- Thread starter PoliTalker
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What would you like to discuss?
TOP
Retired Teacher
Who refuses to discuss with you? I gave you examples...real examples...which you ignore....
TOP
Retired Teacher
Why won't you answer?
TOP
Retired Teacher
We're discussing schools-today's schools...What makes"perfect sense"?
TOP
Retired Teacher
Yes, you are...you've got nothing so far...
evince
Truthmatters
This is what CRT is
Why do you lie about what it is?
Why do you want a fake reality taught to children in public schools?
TOP
Retired Teacher
How is "fake reality" being taught in schools? Give me an example.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
If you're trying to set blacks up to be genocided, sure!
Here's to hoping Americans quash that BS before it gets horrendously ugly.
Leftists want the blacks to be genocided. That's why the big fake pump-up of CRT and all this to piss everybody in America off at blacks and then the leftists will scamper back under their rocks as atrocities are committed.
..Leftists don't want black Americans in their new Utopia. They (Black Americans) know how things actually were, that cannot be allowed in the new Utopia. Democrats are even buying far-left militant groups AR-15s.
In the past, groups like that had to rob banks to get such weaponry. Dems are all "Here ya go, buddy! Go piss off all the crackers proper now, y'hear?"
Yeah, people need to not fall for the leftist bullshit. I don't want to see good people get hurt because leftists pumped up ignorant, hateful, and greedy blacks in America.
They (leftists) think they can manipulate people however they want to. I say most Americans are way smarter than that.
America was a lot better for all Americans before this "woke" bullshit.
cawacko
Well-known member
Must everything be argued from a position of political power? It's like it is not possible to discuss ideas, only speak from a position of Democrats or Republicans. I do not understand it.
You know what they say about ASSuming and clearly I mistakenly did that here. I assumed based on you professing yourself to be woke that you would be aware of the progressive black argument/movement to abolish the police. It's not a position a majority of blacks hold but its one that does have backing based on the reasons I stated. To me, that is a (very) woke position. However others may disagree which is why I asked your opinion.
Edit: From a policy perspective abolishing the police isn't going to happen. There's not majority support for it (at least now). But your premise is about us being woke as individuals and as a country. Abolishing the police and starting over would be one step in removing systemic racism that our country was founded upon. That's woke.
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TOP
Retired Teacher
That is not being "taught", however...is it?
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
That's Toxic TOP's main schtick, didn't you know? She finds a nice person like yourself who will respond to her (most everyone has her on ignore). Then she asks a question. And then another. But she will never ANSWER a question, notice that? BTW she's also never been an educator.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello cawacko,
Still trying to make it about the thread author? It will be disregarded. A waste of time. OK, I'll just strip that nonsense out, and see what of substance is left:
An exaggeration. Every argument is not framed thusly. It does loom large, which is understandable. It is not possible to talk about American politics without talking about Democrats and Republicans.
No, woke does not include abolishing the police. That was never bound to be a popular idea. We need better policing.
Anyone on the right who takes one thing they hear one person on the left say, and extrapolates that into 'the entire left saying it,' might think the whole left wants to abolish the police. Which is ridiculous. That's the pitfalls of stereotyping. It is an attempt to make the world simpler than it really is. Attitudes vary on the left, just as they do on the right. Being woke does not require being in favor of abolishing police. Nobody on the left says that. If people on the right think so, they are mistaken.
Somebody has to enforce the laws. If not police, then who? Abolishing the police is an absurd idea. Nobody who thinks a community can exist without police has thought things through very well. That is a preposterous idea. Leave it to the right to believe that the left would latch onto something thoroughly ridiculous.
People on the right rarely listen to people on the left anyway. The most common right-leaning view of the left is what other people on the right say about the left, not what people on the left are actually saying.
People on the right don't want to really listen to people on the left, anyway, because if they agree on the facts, then they must also agree on the obvious solutions. Since the right doesn't want to solve problems, the easiest way out of that is to simply deny that facts or problems exist. Then no solutions are required.
People on the right tend to obfuscate everything those on the left are saying. The right wants to pretend they can simply make up easier facts to deal with than the real world. The right: The best way out of a problem is to simply deny the problem exists.
That's why we hear so many people on the right try to claim there is no more racism, or that any racism remaining is coming from black people themselves, which is ridiculous. Anything but admit that white privilege still exists, that racism still exists, that it is largely white supremacist racism.
The right doesn't want anything about racial issues to be taught in schools. All that opposition to CRT? Made up nonsense. Tucker Carlson got everybody on the right to believe that CRT means teaching white people that they are intrinsically racist because they benefit from white privilege. Carlson put it out there that CRT = if you are white you are racist, and the right just ate it up.
The real truth is that opposition to CRT = racism.
Anybody who doesn't want racial issues taught in schools is a racist. And if they don't want to admit it then they are fooling themselves.
It is just a theory about using government institutions to reduce the discrimination of racism and improve minority learning rates. That's what CRT is. And it wasn't taught in most schools! That's the really dumb thing about the way the right handled that one. A totally made-up fictional myth to stoke the fires of the culture war that the right wages on the left.
Still trying to make it about the thread author? It will be disregarded. A waste of time. OK, I'll just strip that nonsense out, and see what of substance is left:
An exaggeration. Every argument is not framed thusly. It does loom large, which is understandable. It is not possible to talk about American politics without talking about Democrats and Republicans.
No, woke does not include abolishing the police. That was never bound to be a popular idea. We need better policing.
Anyone on the right who takes one thing they hear one person on the left say, and extrapolates that into 'the entire left saying it,' might think the whole left wants to abolish the police. Which is ridiculous. That's the pitfalls of stereotyping. It is an attempt to make the world simpler than it really is. Attitudes vary on the left, just as they do on the right. Being woke does not require being in favor of abolishing police. Nobody on the left says that. If people on the right think so, they are mistaken.
Somebody has to enforce the laws. If not police, then who? Abolishing the police is an absurd idea. Nobody who thinks a community can exist without police has thought things through very well. That is a preposterous idea. Leave it to the right to believe that the left would latch onto something thoroughly ridiculous.
People on the right rarely listen to people on the left anyway. The most common right-leaning view of the left is what other people on the right say about the left, not what people on the left are actually saying.
People on the right don't want to really listen to people on the left, anyway, because if they agree on the facts, then they must also agree on the obvious solutions. Since the right doesn't want to solve problems, the easiest way out of that is to simply deny that facts or problems exist. Then no solutions are required.
People on the right tend to obfuscate everything those on the left are saying. The right wants to pretend they can simply make up easier facts to deal with than the real world. The right: The best way out of a problem is to simply deny the problem exists.
That's why we hear so many people on the right try to claim there is no more racism, or that any racism remaining is coming from black people themselves, which is ridiculous. Anything but admit that white privilege still exists, that racism still exists, that it is largely white supremacist racism.
The right doesn't want anything about racial issues to be taught in schools. All that opposition to CRT? Made up nonsense. Tucker Carlson got everybody on the right to believe that CRT means teaching white people that they are intrinsically racist because they benefit from white privilege. Carlson put it out there that CRT = if you are white you are racist, and the right just ate it up.
The real truth is that opposition to CRT = racism.
Anybody who doesn't want racial issues taught in schools is a racist. And if they don't want to admit it then they are fooling themselves.
It is just a theory about using government institutions to reduce the discrimination of racism and improve minority learning rates. That's what CRT is. And it wasn't taught in most schools! That's the really dumb thing about the way the right handled that one. A totally made-up fictional myth to stoke the fires of the culture war that the right wages on the left.
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PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Here is why the right wants to turn being woke into some kind of derogatory put-down:
"Aversive racism was coined by Joel Kovel to describe the subtle racial behaviors of any ethnic or racial group who rationalize their aversion to a particular group by appeal to rules or stereotypes (Dovidio & Gaertner, p. 62).[1] People who behave in an aversively racist way may profess egalitarian beliefs, and will often deny their racially motivated behavior; nevertheless they may change their behavior when dealing with a member of a minority group. The motivation for the change is thought to be implicit or subconscious. Though Kovel coined the term, most of the research has been done by John F. Dovidio and Samuel L. Gaertner.[5] "
White people who refuse to admit that white privilege exists should become aware of and pay attention to what aversive racism is.
If they did, they would become more woke.
"Aversive racism was coined by Joel Kovel to describe the subtle racial behaviors of any ethnic or racial group who rationalize their aversion to a particular group by appeal to rules or stereotypes (Dovidio & Gaertner, p. 62).[1] People who behave in an aversively racist way may profess egalitarian beliefs, and will often deny their racially motivated behavior; nevertheless they may change their behavior when dealing with a member of a minority group. The motivation for the change is thought to be implicit or subconscious. Though Kovel coined the term, most of the research has been done by John F. Dovidio and Samuel L. Gaertner.[5] "
White people who refuse to admit that white privilege exists should become aware of and pay attention to what aversive racism is.
If they did, they would become more woke.
cawacko
Well-known member
Where in the dictionary definition of woke does it mention left or right wing politics?