Let's Go, Get Woke, America!

PoliTalker said:
Woke means being aware of how racism works.

Apparently, there is a belief that there is too much single family zoning, and that it contributes to segregation. I do not believe the answer is to take an existing neighborhood and kill property values by allowing multiple units to replace older homes. The answer is to force new development and new home building areas to be smaller more affordable homes, multi-family and to prevent rentals.

Rentals are the real problem. Forcing the poor to pay rent instead of allowing them to buy is the problem.
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You state being woke means being aware of how racism works yet here you are giving the anti-woke (racist) perspective on housing. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or really don't see the contradiction in your position here.
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
You state being woke means being aware of how racism works yet here you are giving the anti-woke (racist) perspective on housing. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or really don't see the contradiction in your position here.
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Just because you think my views on housing are racist doesn't mean they are. I notice you have not commented on rentals vs home ownership. That's what I see as the biggest problem.

Pretty much everybody is living in a unit, except the homeless. It's not like there isn't plenty of housing available for occupation. Why are the poor relegated to rent while the rich can own? From my perspective, that is the pertinent question. It's not going to help poor blacks escape cross-generational poverty if they get into better housing but they still can't own anything.

Paying rent and paying mortgage payments are very similar. The monthly housing payment which consumes paychecks. The chief difference being that the mortgage payer builds equity while the renter is simply throwing money away and building nothing but an empty checking account.

What we should be doing is trying to figure out how to get more people paying on mortgages they can afford instead of throwing money away on rent. Especially when the landlord might be a greedy corporation.

When America gets more people building wealth, that will do the most to address the racial wealth inequality issue, allow more families of all races to build the wealth necessary to be able to afford single family homes and live in any neighborhood they choose.

Change zoning but turn it into rentals? That might mix some neighborhoods, but it won't help poor blacks escape poverty.

It is pretty much assured that if you try to go into the more upscale neighborhoods and force them to become multi unit zoned it is going to be met with very strong opposition from the home owners there. I would expect the opposition to be near universal.

Is that the conservative answer to racism?

Millenials are increasingly likely to be renting their single family home from a corporation

Maybe we need a government program to help more people get out of renting and into home ownership.
 
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PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



Just because you think my views on housing are racist doesn't mean they are. I notice you have not commented on rentals vs home ownership. That's what I see as the biggest problem.

Pretty much everybody is living in a unit, except the homeless. It's not like there isn't plenty of housing available for occupation. Why are the poor relegated to rent while the rich can own? From my perspective, that is the pertinent question. It's not going to help poor blacks escape cross-generational poverty if they get into better housing but they still can't own anything.

Paying rent and paying mortgage payments are very similar. The monthly housing payment which consumes paychecks. The chief difference being that the mortgage payer builds equity while the renter is simply throwing money away and building nothing but an empty checking account.

What we should be doing is trying to figure out how to get more people paying on mortgages they can afford instead of throwing money away on rent. Especially when the landlord might be a greedy corporation.

When America gets more people building wealth, that will do the most to address the racial wealth inequality issue, allow more families of all races to build the wealth necessary to be able to afford single family homes and live in any neighborhood they choose.

Change zoning but turn it into rentals? That might mix some neighborhoods, but it won't help poor blacks escape poverty.

It is pretty much assured that if you try to go into the more upscale neighborhoods and force them to become multi unit zoned it is going to be met with very strong opposition from the home owners there. I would expect the opposition to be near universal.

Is that the conservative answer to racism?

Millenials are increasingly likely to be renting their single family home from a corporation

Maybe we need a government program to help more people get out of renting and into home ownership.
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Talking about renting vs home ownership is a separate economic discussion.

You started this thread about being woke, and how we should all be woke. Being woke is to be aware of injustice (current and historical). The premise of CRT, which is part of wokeness, is that our institutions and systems in America are racist, and were steeped in/built on racism. As the argument goes that's the history of housing in this country, from redlining and who could receive loans to zoning (and single family zoning specifically created to exclude minorities). And of course there's the battle of what we should teach in schools, including our racist history.

There's supreme irony here that me, the supposed right-wing racist, is telling you, the supposed woke progressive, about the racist history of housing and that you're not buying it and are pushing back against it (while saying we need to teach our racist history in school). The irony here is rich.
 
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Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
Talking about renting vs home ownership is a separate economic discussion.

You started this thread about being woke, and how we should all be woke. Being woke is to be aware of injustice (current and historical). The premise of CRT, which is part of wokeness, is that our institutions and systems in America are racist, and were steeped in/built on racism. As the argument goes that's the history of housing in this country, from redlining and who could receive loans to zoning (and single family zoning specifically created to exclude minorities). And of course there's the battle of what we should teach in schools, including our racist history.

There's supreme irony here that me, the supposed right-wing racist, is telling you, the supposed woke progressive, about the racist history of housing and that you're not buying it and are pushing back against it (while saying we need to teach our racist history in school). The irony here is rich.
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So ya think if we change zoning laws it will fix racism? I don't see how. The rental vs home ownership issue is a bigger impediment to wealth building.
 
A woke view of zoning and racism:

I think if zoning laws are changed it should be for new developments, not pre-existing ones. I think Single Family Zoning does work to keep affluent neighborhoods affluent, and if that divides white and black, then it is because of wealth, not color. Wealthy blacks are free to purchase homes wherever they wish.

I also see it as superficial to believe that changing zoning laws is the best way to address racism. A much more significant wealth dividing factor is renting vs owning. We are creating a new massive wealth divider as Wall Street shifts investing from manufacturing to investing in rental housing. Home rental corporations are building apartments and buying Single Family Homes at an increasing rate.

Rent is a guaranteed income stream for the wealthy as long as low income workers cannot afford to buy. It becomes increasingly attractive to investors if they are merely investing in a company, instead of managing properties themselves. Let the company manage all the units. The investor can simply buy stock and build wealth.

The wealth being built that way represents the wealth not being built by home renters.

Capitalism is failing America, failing to build wealth for the low income workers who are locked out of buying because everything they earn goes into rent and making ends meet. When big corporations buy up all the available housing, that sends the housing prices up, making it unaffordable for low income workers.

Something needs to be done, and government is the only entity big enough to do it.

I think the government needs to build and sell single millions of family houses to low income workers.

How to make that happen, I don't know. Maybe the federal government could tax the super-rich more, and set up a program to grant money to states which opt to do this. Of course, the problems would be many. Conservatives would fight it. Blue states would go with it, and people would benefit. Red states would either refuse it, or take the money and try to subvert the goal by shunting the money back into the hands of the rich.

But something needs to be done. That's for sure. Capitalism is only a dumb tool. It is not going to save us, and capitalism has zero compassion for humanity.
 
PoliTalker said:
I don't get what's wrong with being woke.

Merriam-Webster:

" woke adjective
chiefly US slang
: aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"

Sounds like a good thing!

Surely, being well informed is preferable to being poorly informed...

Any dispute on that? Seems to be pretty straightforward. Knowledge is power. So what's the deal?

It is logical that a society comprised mostly of individuals who are aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues, especially issues of racial and social justice, would be a great society to be a part of. That would result in low crime and minimized hatred, a society where people respected one another and got along fine, happy and content, pleased to be a part of something bigger than them, something really great.

Most people already think America is a great country.

Wanna make America greater?

A woke America would be a greater America.

Let's Go, Get Woke, America!
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it's based on lies.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



Just because you think my views on housing are racist doesn't mean they are. I notice you have not commented on rentals vs home ownership. That's what I see as the biggest problem.

Pretty much everybody is living in a unit, except the homeless. It's not like there isn't plenty of housing available for occupation. Why are the poor relegated to rent while the rich can own? From my perspective, that is the pertinent question. It's not going to help poor blacks escape cross-generational poverty if they get into better housing but they still can't own anything.

Paying rent and paying mortgage payments are very similar. The monthly housing payment which consumes paychecks. The chief difference being that the mortgage payer builds equity while the renter is simply throwing money away and building nothing but an empty checking account.

What we should be doing is trying to figure out how to get more people paying on mortgages they can afford instead of throwing money away on rent. Especially when the landlord might be a greedy corporation.

When America gets more people building wealth, that will do the most to address the racial wealth inequality issue, allow more families of all races to build the wealth necessary to be able to afford single family homes and live in any neighborhood they choose.

Change zoning but turn it into rentals? That might mix some neighborhoods, but it won't help poor blacks escape poverty.

It is pretty much assured that if you try to go into the more upscale neighborhoods and force them to become multi unit zoned it is going to be met with very strong opposition from the home owners there. I would expect the opposition to be near universal.

Is that the conservative answer to racism?

Millenials are increasingly likely to be renting their single family home from a corporation

Maybe we need a government program to help more people get out of renting and into home ownership.
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Except this is precisely and completely the opposite of what the Progressive Left wants. They want renters, not owners. As Naomi Klein, the Leftist economist pointed out, owners tend to vote against the Left while renters vote for the Left.

The Biden administration is actively subsidizing and encouraging apartment construction while simultaneously discouraging single family home construction.

In the memo, he writes: “Critically, the Biden-Harris Administration is undertaking an historic shift in U.S. housing policy by focusing on supply constraints and the availability of affordable housing units, including multifamily rental units.”
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https://www.vox.com/22535542/housing-crisis-shortage-biden-wally-adeyemo

Biden’s plans earmark billions of dollars to provide fair and affordable housing for middle-class families and the poorest Americans. All in all, Biden’s housing policy proposals would cost $640 billion over 10 years, although he has not detailed where any of this funding would come from.

The Biden plan would put $100 billion into an “Affordable Housing Fund,” the bulk of which ($65 billion) would provide incentives to develop and rehabilitate low-cost housing where there’s a shortage.

“These funds will be directed toward communities that are suffering from an affordability crisis and are willing to implement new zoning laws that encourage more affordable housing,” according to Biden’s plan.
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https://www.forbes.com/advisor/mortgages/biden-housing-policies/

That "more affordable housing" is in the form of rental properties, particularly apartments.

Biden's infrastructure plan calls for cities to limit single-family zoning and instead build affordable housing

President Joe Biden wants cities to put more apartment buildings and multifamily units, such as converted garages, in areas traditionally zoned for single-family housing. As part of his $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan, cities would allow for smaller lots and for apartment buildings with fewer than six units to be built next to a traditional house.
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https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...-would-curb-single-family-housing/7097434002/
 
Woke is the opposite of right wing propaganda.

That's why those hooked on right wing propaganda are so afraid of woke.
 
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