Lets just all admit that what we are doing here is absurd
- Thread starter evince
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I have never accepted the assertion that nobody ever changes their minds as a result of message board banter.
I was told for years by cons that George Dumbya Bush was a titan among leaders; that the invasion of Iraq was an awesome idea; and that noted corruption-fighter and preemminent peacenik Donald Trump is draining the swamp.
Years of concerted effort demonstrating to Cons that Dumbya was an incompetent nitwit, the decision to invade Iraq was a catastrophic disaster, and that Donald Trump is a pathological and corrupt liar all collectively paid off. In spades. Cons had to change their tunes 180 degrees.
Cons will barely ever mention George Dumbya (except to claim they never really supported him), Cons are fully aware that anti-war liberals made the right call in 2003 and they will hardly ever make an effort to defend a war they wanted desparately, and even the defenses of Donald Trump have become tepid and flaccid. Amounting to hollow claims that, at least he didn't commit a felony crime. There are hardly ever even any credible attempts made to claim that Donald Trump is a competent, knowlegable, and savvy president representing America well on the world stage.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
I think you over estimate the relevance of this place, evince.
We are a handful of people.
The nation is not watching.
The world is not watching.
What we say is generally for our own amusement.
There is no point in 'fighting the good fight,' or trying to bring about national change here.
I come here to learn.
I learn why other people hold their views, and I learn what is going on in the nation/world. I don't really learn much from JPP directly. What I get is ideas, mentions of current events. Then I take those ideas and I research them. Especially if I want to make any comments about them in JPP. A chat room will tear you up if you post nonsense. The challenge is to get it right in order to discuss something knowledgeably.
Somebody makes a thread with a link; I check it out. I also do a search to see if there is more information about the topic. I look for more links. Different sources. I generally spend more time researching things than I do posting about them. I have spent hours on one short little post. Just to make sure I have done my homework. It doesn't matter where the JPP conversation goes. I'm already a winner because I got better informed.
Once I've got the facts straight I can easily rip the right wing propaganda apart. They can spin it all they like, the facts always cream their crawdaddies.
It's like the Ukraine scandal.
Trump's position is based on a hopeless unsupported tabloid hoax, basically.
The right clings to it like a lifeline.
And they call the mainstream news fake, the enemy. Pathetic!
These people are so out of touch it's sad.
The problem with the right isn't that they don't know anything.
It is that so much of what they know just isn't so.
We are a handful of people.
The nation is not watching.
The world is not watching.
What we say is generally for our own amusement.
There is no point in 'fighting the good fight,' or trying to bring about national change here.
I come here to learn.
I learn why other people hold their views, and I learn what is going on in the nation/world. I don't really learn much from JPP directly. What I get is ideas, mentions of current events. Then I take those ideas and I research them. Especially if I want to make any comments about them in JPP. A chat room will tear you up if you post nonsense. The challenge is to get it right in order to discuss something knowledgeably.
Somebody makes a thread with a link; I check it out. I also do a search to see if there is more information about the topic. I look for more links. Different sources. I generally spend more time researching things than I do posting about them. I have spent hours on one short little post. Just to make sure I have done my homework. It doesn't matter where the JPP conversation goes. I'm already a winner because I got better informed.
Once I've got the facts straight I can easily rip the right wing propaganda apart. They can spin it all they like, the facts always cream their crawdaddies.
It's like the Ukraine scandal.
Trump's position is based on a hopeless unsupported tabloid hoax, basically.
The right clings to it like a lifeline.
And they call the mainstream news fake, the enemy. Pathetic!
These people are so out of touch it's sad.
The problem with the right isn't that they don't know anything.
It is that so much of what they know just isn't so.
Holy smoke, I haven't thought about Topspin in ages.
Yes, he even sent me a message one time saying that my posts helped change his mind is some nominal way in his transition from being a rightwing reactionary, to being of a more moderate persuasion and even willing to vote for Democrats.
80 percent of message boarders can be dismissed as barely educated dunces. But the posters who present ideas and credible information have more influence on other posters than most people think or are willing to admit. I have literally seen conservatives over the years go from hollering in protest when you presented information of systematic voter fraud and voter suppression by the Republican Party, to the point now when they don't even try to contest it in any plausible way. They pretty much accept it, and cannot counter the information you have provided.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
more than any of the rest of us, what Desh does here is absurd......
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
you realize he was yanking your chain, right?......
Your assumptions, guesswork, and suppositions do not cut the mustard in any way, shape, or form.
Explain how you were able to interpret his message to me since you are not privy to it?
Topspin and I were buddies, he held me in high esteem, and I considered him one of jpp.com all-time great posters. Period, end of story.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I'm a whistleblower.....
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
Deshtard is doing the lords work
evince
Truthmatters
thanks
the cold hard facts that prove it make it undeniable
the party has been run by sociopaths for decades
soon we will find out if even their voters are full on sociopaths
the new facts emerging will tell the tell
do the republican voters embrace lies over facts and are willing to hand this nation to Putin simply to avoid admitting they were duped
evince
Truthmatters
so whistle is your pet name for Putins penis?
evince
Truthmatters
I do all of the things you do too
sites like these have taught me massive lessons about people
I at one point spent two years merely investigating the leadup to the 2008 economic crash
barely posting at places like this
what you don't understand is YOU or ME can never reach as many human ears as we can at places like this
I have actually seen national arguments change after posting about things on sites like this
Seen the Arguments that I proffered then being used nationally later
I cant talk about politics with people I meet in the real world
PEOPLE DONT WANT IT
I have a very few people in real life that Love the subject as much as I do.
YES people read these pages
every time you come to this site go to the forum page and Look at the number of guests reading the site
do that for one week
those are humans
they are here to read the debates and see what debates work and whats concerning people
researchers, joe dokes trying to learn about politics, low level staffers of people working in politics and a whole variety of actual humans
hell even the spiders and bots may be research tools
I can reach a ton more people here than in the real world
the internets is the NEW TOWN SQUARE
Good debates rise to the top
I have seen a national discussion of an issue move to The very debate I had used successfully on the Internets
DONT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE INTERNETS
Says the one that was duped into believing Obama being black meant he was qualified.
You've never done a goddamn thing in your life but run your mouth, cunt.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello evince,
If you really think all these people are reading what you post then you should strive to make the most respectable posts possible. Insulting people doesn't win them over. Insults only work for hateful Trump fans when somebody supports their prejudged stereotypes, something like 30% of the nation.
There is no point in talking to hateful people who only come to a chat room to unload their frustrations on others. They are not here to listen.
You have a great knack for digging up pertinent information, making excellent political points. Just go with that. That is your strong suit, your gift.
Stop feeding the trolls. The more you engage with them, the more they post.
If nobody ever even acknowledged they post, their volume would drop to a minimum.
The wise thing to do is simply place all of those nasty posters on Ignore and forget they even exist.
Some people, you just need to stay away from.
Just like you don't stir up a bees nest and you don't poke a bear. Just stay away. Keep your distance.
Let them become marginalized.
Don't feed the trolls.
Nothing good comes from it.
If you really think all these people are reading what you post then you should strive to make the most respectable posts possible. Insulting people doesn't win them over. Insults only work for hateful Trump fans when somebody supports their prejudged stereotypes, something like 30% of the nation.
There is no point in talking to hateful people who only come to a chat room to unload their frustrations on others. They are not here to listen.
You have a great knack for digging up pertinent information, making excellent political points. Just go with that. That is your strong suit, your gift.
Stop feeding the trolls. The more you engage with them, the more they post.
If nobody ever even acknowledged they post, their volume would drop to a minimum.
The wise thing to do is simply place all of those nasty posters on Ignore and forget they even exist.
Some people, you just need to stay away from.
Just like you don't stir up a bees nest and you don't poke a bear. Just stay away. Keep your distance.
Let them become marginalized.
Don't feed the trolls.
Nothing good comes from it.
evince
Truthmatters
Lenny Bruce
Richard Pryor
George Carlin
to keep people listening you have to make it entertaining
plus
when a society has a set of people who refuse fact and spew nonstop lies
It is incumbent on that society to publicly shame those people until they accept facts or shut up
pretending people don't speak the way I speak here is insanity
Do you know any people under 60?
words are for communication
I use all of them
even the ones some people find scary