Liberals....about my "racist" moniker

Immanuel said:
By politically correct, I mean that I could have my head handed to me on a platter for even insinuating that a woman could be sexist or a black man could be racist.

I never indicated you were politically correct.

I would like to know your definition of both racism and sexism.

My definition would be "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others." and similar for sexism.

If I believe that I am inherently better than you because I am male and you are female that makes me a sexist. If I believe I am inherently better than BAC because I am white and he is black that makes me a racist. Going along with that if I believe I should have certain privileges that you don't have because I am male and you are female then I am by definition sexist. If I believe that I can denigrate you because you are female that would be sexist.

So, how would you define the two?

Immie
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When I speak of racism or of sexism, I do so in the context of history. That is, who has historically been opressed, denigrated and deprived on account of race and/or gender? And that is women and minorities.

It really doesn't matter if you feel offended because a woman says men are pigs. Women can't do anything to you. You might take personal offense, just as I might if someone said that my hair is ugly. But someone saying that my hair is ugly cannot cause me any measurable harm. It cannot deprive me of my livelhood. It cannot deprive me of my home. It cannot keep me out of my chosen field. It cannot keep me out of a school.

Only institutionalized racism, and institutionalized sexism can do any of those things.

The rest is just false equivalence.
 
Darla said:
someone saying that my hair is ugly cannot cause me any measurable harm. It cannot deprive me of my livelhood. It cannot deprive me of my home. It cannot keep me out of my chosen field. It cannot keep me out of a school.

Only institutionalized racism, and institutionalized sexism can do any of those things.

The rest is just false equivalence.
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I hope I don't set off another chain of racism lectures, but how does Dano's moniker cause such controversy if it causes no measurable harm.
 
Warren said:
I hope I don't set off another chain of racism lectures, but how does Dano's moniker cause such controversy if it causes no measurable harm.
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But it has caused measurable harm.

It is a symbol used to denigrate an entire people. It is exactly what I am referring to in my previous post.
 
I don't see how giving yourself a name like blackascoal and have a mascot logo as such is any better. Don't know why race has to be even brought up on either side. What if a white whom wanted others to take him seriously named himself whiteassheets or something? He'd be pegged a racist. Danos joke wasn't funny or tasteful but it's no worse than blackascoal screenname and logo.
 
Warren said:
I hope I don't set off another chain of racism lectures, but how does Dano's moniker cause such controversy if it causes no measurable harm.
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I don't view the picture as being racist.......I view it as being racially insensitive.
 
leaningright said:
I don't view the picture as being racist.......I view it as being racially insensitive.
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Hey - none of that "injecting reason" stuff; this thread is just getting good.

To be honest, I doubt Dano is a racist. Hopelessly dense & insensitive, yes, but probably not racist...
 
leaningright said:
I don't view the picture as being racist.......I view it as being racially insensitive.
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Please explain the differences between the two.

Also, as blackface has always depicted blacks to be stupid, clownish, childish, and cowardly, can you please explain how using it is not racist?

Have you ever wondered why you are so resistent to the word racist?

What would be racist in your opinion?

Does racism exist today?
 
Obfuscate said:
I don't see how giving yourself a name like blackascoal and have a mascot logo as such is any better. Don't know why race has to be even brought up on either side. What if a white whom wanted others to take him seriously named himself whiteassheets or something? He'd be pegged a racist. Danos joke wasn't funny or tasteful but it's no worse than blackascoal screenname and logo.
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Having pride in your heritage and race doesn't necessarily mean you are against other races, nor does it mean you think you are better than other races. It may, just perhaps, mean that though your people have gone through much in the past, and still struggle today, you are still proud to be who you are.
 
Warren said:
It unquestionably is. I just don't think Dano intended the kind of implication that they say he meant.
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What would make you "think" that Dano did not intend a racist implication by using a racist symbol?

Why are you so resistant to the word racist, or racism? What are you afraid will happen if it is acknowledged that a white man, a particular white man, did something racist?
 
Darla said:
When I speak of racism or of sexism, I do so in the context of history. That is, who has historically been opressed, denigrated and deprived on account of race and/or gender? And that is women and minorities.

It really doesn't matter if you feel offended because a woman says men are pigs. Women can't do anything to you. You might take personal offense, just as I might if someone said that my hair is ugly. But someone saying that my hair is ugly cannot cause me any measurable harm. It cannot deprive me of my livelhood. It cannot deprive me of my home. It cannot keep me out of my chosen field. It cannot keep me out of a school.

Only institutionalized racism, and institutionalized sexism can do any of those things.

The rest is just false equivalence.
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Haha!

You obviously never met my high school sweetheart's mother!

3/4 Cherokee and one woman you did not want to piss off. :)

Immie
 
Only when cippie and .............

DigitalDave said:
Yeah, I know Grind. I'm not really offended myself either, I think it was unintentional. I just think that those who were offended deserve an apology rather than trying to explain it away.
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darla admit and give an apology for being KGB ho's...they are not outraged...they are doing the classic...'Mis-information' skit...stir the pot on racism and keep US Citizens from getting along...this is nothing new...The Old USSR never fell they just reorganized and call themselves 'Social Democrats'...now that their finances are once again in order... a return to Communism will soon follow('Back to the USSR' a song title by the Beattles...how appropriate)...y'all have been hoodwinked by Putin et al!
 
Darla said:
What would make you "think" that Dano did not intend a racist implication by using a racist symbol?

Why are you so resistant to the word racist, or racism? What are you afraid will happen if it is acknowledged that a white man, a particular white man, did something racist?
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Plenty of white men have done plenty of racist acts. Anyone who tries to deny that is a blatant idiot or is actively trying to disguise racism.

I believe that this was a single individual who lost his argument and decided to mock his opponent through parodying his avatar.

If you didn't know blackascoal was African American this would not even be an issue. Racial group identification is no more important than other means of identification. No one exploded with outrage when a troll mocked Cypress Che avatar. None of the site's Communists or Socialists jumped to defend him from "Redface". I just resent the implication that race is somehow more important than ideology, personality, or any of a hundred methods of categorizing group identity.

I just don't believe Dano is a racist. I know racists, many of my friends are unabashedly racist. But in my opinion, Dano comes at it from a different direction.
 
Warren said:
Plenty of white men have done plenty of racist acts. Anyone who tries to deny that is a blatant idiot or is actively trying to disguise racism.

I believe that this was a single individual who lost his argument and decided to mock his opponent through parodying his avatar.

If you didn't know blackascoal was African American this would not even be an issue. Racial group identification is no more important than other means of identification. No one exploded with outrage when a troll mocked Cypress Che avatar. None of the site's Communists or Socialists jumped to defend him from "Redface". I just resent the implication that race is somehow more important than ideology, personality, or any of a hundred methods of categorizing group identity.

I just don't believe Dano is a racist. I know racists, many of my friends are unabashedly racist. But in my opinion, Dano comes at it from a different direction.
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If I didn't know bac was black, I would still find blackface offensive.

However, you are right that Dano "comes at it" from a different direction than your "unabashedly racist" friends.

Dano is a bit slyer than they are.

The most effective racists are. And as you can see, a lot of people believe that they are just stupid, but not racist.
 
If you're trying to get me to take issue with the fact that some of my friends are racist you won't get far. This is Alabama. You cannot spit without hitting a Klan member, so sitting in loneliness until you meet perfectly tolerant individuals is not always an option.

Do I wish some of their opinions were different? Sure. But I'm sure they do the same with me. It's just how they are, and as long as it does not harm anyone else I am willing to write them a free pass because of the backwoods culture they came from. As soon as their beliefs begin to infringe on the rights of someone else though, it becomes an issue.

But I am not in the business of insisting that everyone I associate with share my views and values.
 
Let me give you another example of a racist who is also, slyer than your openly racist friends:

This is Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

''You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N****, n*****, n*****.' By 1968 you can't say 'n*****' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

''And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me -- because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N*****, n*****.'''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E6DF1E30F935A35753C1A9639C8B63
 
"And as you can see, a lot of people believe that they are just stupid, but not racist."

Dano's m.o. is much more along the lines of "stupid" than "racist."

He MAY be a racist, but I don't think anything he has done here proves that. He is DEFINITELY stupid, and everything he has done here is just reinforcement of that.
 
Onceler said:
"And as you can see, a lot of people believe that they are just stupid, but not racist."

Dano's m.o. is much more along the lines of "stupid" than "racist."

He MAY be a racist, but I don't think anything he has done here proves that. He is DEFINITELY stupid, and everything he has done here is just reinforcement of that.
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How stupid can he be to not know what that avatar he had up yesterday, meant?
 
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