Libertarianism

Damocles said:
Only if one does not extend the thought throughout.

Scenario. I own a property, have a right to do what I will so long as I am not, personally, intitiating force on my neighbor. What is considered initiating force? Polluting their property, certainly, staging rock concerts and keeping them up? Again, pretty certainly...

In each step you can go up, taking that one philosophy and find that the Libertarian philosophy when extended in such a way would indeed strengthen and protect the maximum freedom for each component of the society.
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but if I want to paint my house purple and put 12 old cars up on blocks so the dawgs have a place to get in out of the weather ?
 
uscitizen said:
Nationalism is not by and of itself wrong. But it is often used for the wrong purposes.
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For once, I have to disagree. Nationalism is always wrong . . . today. It was a phase we had to pass through, yes, but it's become destructive. There's no place for nationalism in the future: not if we're going to survive.

All nationalists are reactionary losers. They're to be pitied.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
For once, I have to disagree. Nationalism is always wrong . . . today. It was a phase we had to pass through, yes, but it's become destructive. There's no place for nationalism in the future: not if we're going to survive.

All nationalists are reactionary losers. They're to be pitied.
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Oh yes it is currently wrong.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
For once, I have to disagree. Nationalism is always wrong . . . today. It was a phase we had to pass through, yes, but it's become destructive. There's no place for nationalism in the future: not if we're going to survive.

All nationalists are reactionary losers. They're to be pitied.
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No. It is not always wrong. It is merely a coalition of cooperating individuals. There is no reason that a loyalty to international governing bodies and multinationals corporations in ineherently BETTER. In fact, internationalism is worse than nationalism, as it represents a deception and a betrayal. IF the leaders of the country are no longer functioning explicitly for the benefit of citizens, then the laws they pass are automatically suspect. If they're loyalties lie elsewhere, their leadership is illegitimate.

Nationalism is not a phase. Internationalism is merely a trope designed to subjugate the world to self- interested corprations and corrupt governing bodies.

All internationalists are deceptive betrayers, and should be marginalized.
 
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uscitizen said:
So you think only HOA's restrict such things ?
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The point was, could you be restricted in these things in a Libertarian society and thus "have a responsibility towards" others in society? Clearly you could, it is an attempt at oversimplification and deliberate misunderstanding of the philosophy to pretend that it solely involves individuals...

If you simplify to stupefying levels, you can pretend that nobody has protections in such a philosophy, but you would be deliberately ignoring the main tenet of the philosophy.
 
Warren said:
Yeah. The former part of his statement is assumption, and the latter is subjective, making his statement just as worthless as every other one he utters.
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Incredibly stupid.

You pay taxes .. sales, state, and federal.

You should pay taxes .. IT'S THE LAW

If you don't pay taxes .. YOU'RE A CRIMINAL

Please continue the child-like rant.
 
This is all very ambigious.

There's no universal, unambigious right way to operate a state. What we should be focusing on is what makes the most people the happiest.
 
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