LINCOLN, the CIVIL WAR and SLAVERY

NiftyNiblick said:
Was saving the union a good idea in the long run?
Kentucky did not join the confederacy.
It stayed with the union throughout, despite sympathizing with the confederacy.

Even still, if the seceding states remained partitioned, do you think that Kentucky's Mitch McConnell could possibly be the majority leader in the US Senate?
Do you think that his colleague Rand Paul could even walk about in public safely?

An America almost completely free of Red States would be the closest thing to paradise ever existent on this earth.
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If the CSA had become a country in 1865,their racial views would have matched the Third Reich,and we would have been fighting WW2 on our Southern border!
 
Egg Shell said:
Lol,as if stealing Southern States is legal
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It was legal to leave.

https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

And no treason.

And this is what made it all legal.
In Congress, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
 
TSgt said:
Please do explain, rather than just claiming he broke the law. It's refreshing to see someone rooting so hard against America. I'm glad you weren't there to defend the Axis Powers during WWII. Maybe if FDR had surrendered Pearl Harbor to Japan, things would have worked out.
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He suspended habuous corpus.
He exiled elected officials
Some American you are to support this Dictator.
 
Jerome said:
yeah, you're just pulling that outta your ass.

Let me know when MA or CA invents the idea of in-person voter fraud and implements voter ID purely to suppress minority votes. Or when they lynch blacks on the regular, or when they deny felons' voting rights or continue marijuana prohibition (all essentially modern Jim Crow policies that disproportionately affect blacks).
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They invented Jim Crow laws
 
Egg Shell said:
So you're a anti-American pervert
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It's good and American to call out liars, cheats, fakers and false Christians. What's perverted about banging a MILF? Your Mother?

NSFW:
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I once asked your mom, "What is rodeo sex?"
She said, "Mount a woman doggystyle, grab both her breasts then whisper her mother's name in her ear. See if you can stay on for 8 seconds."

Gawd, she was sooooo funny. You? I think you were adopted.
 
Jerome said:
lol, you're so fucking brainwashed.

Did your textbooks actually have a stars and bars on them? The federal government was occupying the fort (because the fort was federal property) well before any articles of secession, and SC had no legal authority to order them to leave. To believe otherwise is to deny gravity. Once they started the bombing, they started the war.
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No kiddo. You are brainwashed.

Was it ok for Abe to require Maryland to color code ballots used in state legislature voting so the Army would know who to seize and throw in military prison?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
It would never get that far. Mexico would have overrun them by then.
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Unlikely. Mexico had its own problems. Plus there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_colonies


During the Civil War, France started a second war with Mexico. Lincoln wanted to assist Mexico and enforce the Monroe Doctrine, but had mired all US assets into invading the South. Nothing was done to help until after the Civil War ended. If the Industrial North was too busy to help out Mexico, the Agricultural South was certainly too busy to help the French or the Mexicans.

That bit of history is rich in "Alternative History" avenues. What if Lincoln hadn't invaded the South but sought to resolve it diplomatically? Then he'd have the assets to help the Mexicans and sew up relations putting a US Federal presence/Ally on the Mexican border?
 
Celticguy said:
It was legal to leave.

https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

And no treason.

And this is what made it all legal.
In Congress, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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That referred to the colonies
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It's good and American to call out liars, cheats, fakers and false Christians. What's perverted about banging a MILF? Your Mother?

NSFW:
t15119.gif

I once asked your mom, "What is rodeo sex?"
She said, "Mount a woman doggystyle, grab both her breasts then whisper her mother's name in her ear. See if you can stay on for 8 seconds."

Gawd, she was sooooo funny. You? I think you were adopted.
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So you got nothing
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Unlikely. Mexico had its own problems. Plus there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_colonies


During the Civil War, France started a second war with Mexico. Lincoln wanted to assist Mexico and enforce the Monroe Doctrine, but had mired all US assets into invading the South. Nothing was done to help until after the Civil War ended. If the Industrial North was too busy to help out Mexico, the Agricultural South was certainly too busy to help the French or the Mexicans.

That bit of history is rich in "Alternative History" avenues. What if Lincoln hadn't invaded the South but sought to resolve it diplomatically? Then he'd have the assets to help the Mexicans and sew up relations putting a US Federal presence/Ally on the Mexican border?
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The Mexican border was with the so-called CSA
 
Celticguy said:
No kiddo. You are brainwashed.

Was it ok for Abe to require Maryland to color code ballots used in state legislature voting so the Army would know who to seize and throw in military prison?
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Quit deflecting, you dumb cunt. That's the very first sign you're surrendering the argument.

Fort Sumter was federal property.

And FYI, I'm for damned sure not accepting any legal arguments from some asshole who can't spell "habeas".
 
Celticguy said:
It was legal to leave.

https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

And no treason.

And this is what made it all legal.
In Congress, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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Does your dumb ass believe the Declaration of Independence is a binding legal document?
 
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