List ONE thing that America needs done and make a case for why it needs doing

Drummie123 said:
Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”[/B]
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LOL. He couldn't be more wrong. Look at our Congress today. ;)
 
AProudLefty said:
I doubt it's what George meant. And "interpreting" or "translating" something can be done to confuse and push a narrative. Pastors do that with Bible all the time. I am certain Joe is pretty smart.

Did George Washington actually think that morality can survive without religion?
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My interpretation, based on very little scholarly assurance other than what I read here and what I consider my own idea of common sense, suggests that Washington DID NOT believe that morality can survive without religion.
 
Drummie123 said:
My interpretation, based on very little scholarly assurance other than what I read here and what I consider my own idea of common sense, suggests that Washington DID NOT believe that morality can survive without religion.
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What religion, specifically?

There is also a frightening prospect that some people can not be moral without religion.
 
AProudLefty said:
LOL. He couldn't be more wrong. Look at our Congress today. ;)
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I will interpret your comment as saying that because Congress is functioning, 'that everything is fine.'

That might be like saying that because George Floyd could say, "I can't breathe" while he was dying from a lack of breath, that he was fine.

You should book mark this exchange and revisit it yearly and give us your opinion.

You may not be chronologically able to recognize that America itself is in big trouble. But, no matter your assessment of the health of Congress, the factors he cited which would "would break the strongest cords of our Constitution" "Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry," are exactly what are at the heart of our Country's problems today!
 
Drummie123 said:
I will interpret your comment as saying that because Congress is functioning, 'that everything is fine.'

That might be like saying that because George Floyd could say, "I can't breathe" while he was dying from a lack of breath, that he was fine.

You should book mark this exchange and revisit it yearly and give us your opinion.

You may not be chronologically able to recognize that America itself is in big trouble. But, no matter your assessment of the health of Congress, the factors he cited which would "would break the strongest cords of our Constitution" "Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry," are exactly what are at the heart of our Country's problems today!
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"Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry" are what plague our government. And yet they still haven't broken through the Constitution like a "whale through a net".
 
AProudLefty said:
What religion, specifically?

There is also a frightening prospect that some people can not be moral without religion.
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The only religions the founders seemed comfortable with was Christianity and Judaism. I believe they tended to view Islam as a sign along the highway indicating this Islam was as far as they would go in considering such a different religion, and even then, most did not like or accept Islam.


Given the dominance and popularity of these anti-Islamic representations, it was startling that a few notable Americans not only refused to exclude Muslims, but even imagined a day when they would be citizens of the United States, with full and equal rights.
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https://www.salon.com/2013/10/05/our_founding_fathers_included_islam/

And one wonders if those "few notable Americans" who "imagined a day ... when (Muslims) would be citizens of the United States, with full and equal rights" knew or ever imagined that Islam was so hegemonic that the very U.S. of A. might one day be threatened by Islamic Jihad with it's main goal being to conquer the entire Earth and all of Mankind for Allah.
 
Drummie123 said:
In real life, what used to happen de rigueur, is that the person with the better argument would win the point with those present and that those present would all generally have the same values as proud Americans (unlike today thanks to the 'intraweb' influence over the years) and the person with the lesser argument would accept the outcome and then re-think or re-group and try again or they would be shunted to the periphery of the group they were in. And from there they might become permanently on the margins of accepted thought or they would become known for being at the forefront of ideas and the public's accepted beliefs.


My comment, "Claim your crumbs while ye may," was as a response to your attempt to cast yourself as being farsighted, if not gifted in being able to predict what I subsequently did.

My point is that, while you may be correct, what difference does it make?


;)
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A waste of words to say only that you had no intention of discussion when you began this thread. As I said, you only want an echo chamber.
 
AProudLefty said:
"Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry" are what plague our government. And yet they still haven't broken through the Constitution like a "whale through a net".
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I counted twenty eight hammer blows before the silo came crashing down.

Man knocks down silo with sledge hammer (2:14)


After each whack, repeat one of the cited factors.

Whack.

Avarice.

Whack.

Ambition.

Whack.

Revenge.

Whack.

Gallantry.

Whack.

Avarice.

Whack.


And so on.

Eventually the blows will take their toll.
 
Drummie123 said:
I counted twenty eight hammer blows before the silo came crashing down.

Man knocks down silo with sledge hammer (2:14)


After each whack, repeat one of the cited factors.

Whack.

Avarice.

Whack.

Ambition.

Whack.

Revenge.

Whack.

Gallantry.

Whack.

Avarice.

Whack.


And so on.

Eventually the blows will take their toll.
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The Constitution remains intact.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
A waste of words to say only that you had no intention of discussion when you began this thread. As I said, you only want an echo chamber.
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I hope to enlighten, not confuse.

I hope that those leaving any of my posts on the subject of governing ideologies will depart knowing why their pro-Marxist, or pro-Sharia or pro-Soros infatuations will hurt more people, if realized, than they will help and would result in less liberty in every case.

I don't want to encourage any advocates of lesser ideologies to tempt people through trickery. We must not permit or encourage those who would prey on the uninformed, under-informed or misinformed by pretending that all ideas are equally valid when they certainly are not.

If you want to exchange ideas so that your idea can seem to be as viable as any others, I think that can only be responsibly done by also making it clear what the dangers are of what you espouse.

If you are an ideologue trying to bring down America or weaken America so that your lesser ideology can prevail, I think that is a shitty thing to do.

And then if you say, well it's a matter of your opinion vs my opinion, I will say, it is a matter of having an informed opinion vs having an uninformed opinion.

And those with the best informed opinions, without regard to Leftist debate Jiu-Jitsu, overwhelmingly choose Liberty and the current system of government in the USA.

It isn't perfect but it is better than what you are pushing.

Now, if you want to post the advantages of your favorite system vs mine, let's go.
 
AProudLefty said:
The Constitution remains intact.

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Until it is no longer intact.

And you should not use that as a reason to justify continuing your hammer blows when you KNOW that the whacks will eventually bring it down.

And that you are only hammering on it TO MAKE IT COME DOWN!
 
Drummie123 said:
Until it is no longer intact.

And you should not use that as a reason to justify continuing your hammer blows when you KNOW that the whacks will eventually bring it down.

And that you are only hammering on it TO MAKE IT COME DOWN!
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My point is that the only hammering is the people who are doing the hammering on each other.
 
Drummie123 said:
List ONE thing that America needs done and make a case for why it needs doing

(One thing per post. Post as many times as you have suggestions.)


America needs a definitive newspaper or magazine article, book or film which might be called, "The Patriotic Narrative of America's History and Future."

"The Narrative" would make a case for who we were as a people, what America was meant to be, how we evolved and who is behind the Leftist hijacking of America and what the logical result will be for America if we continue down the current Leftist path.


Too many Liberals, Leftists and Dems are acting as though THEIR ideology is the rightful path based on our history, when it clearly isn't.
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Too bad you lost the election. Quit whining.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
A waste of words to say only that you had no intention of discussion when you began this thread. As I said, you only want an echo chamber.
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Dear Readers:

This is a reminder of what I mean when I say that the Left got tired of always losing in the arena of ideas because their ideas are substandard, so they looked for different ways to win which went outside of the standards of merit.

ThatOwlWoman doesn't like that her ideas are substandard, so she resorts to finding fault with the guidelines I suggested.

That is a microcosmic metaphor for what goes on in our politics today.

Bad idea Dems NEED to cheat or lie or steal or confuse people to win because their ideas are so often substandard that they tend to make bad decisions.

By the way, this is very enlightening if you want to know how Liberals think.

Evan Sayet - Regurgitating the Apple How Modern Liberals "Think"
 
AProudLefty said:
My point is that the only hammering is the people who are doing the hammering on each other.
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People are choosing sides and those who choose the Left are doing so because they want America to be brought down or because they can't understand why what the Left does (or proposes to do) could possibly be a bad thing.

And when the uninformed support bad policies they defend those taking the whacks at America.

It is like football.

The QB is engineering a drive downfield and using the pass and the run to pound away at the other team. And to prevent the QB from getting flattened, there are big (and sometimes dumb) guys committed to keeping their QB safe by thwarting their opponent's players (i.e. tackles, guards, linebackers or defensive backs) attempts to stop the QB.

The Left is pounding America into submission and uninformed fuzzy brains are protecting the bad guys.
 
AProudLefty said:
What religion, specifically?

There is also a frightening prospect that some people can not be moral without religion.
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"There is also a frightening prospect that some people can not be moral without religion."

Uhh... that is the point of the George Washington quote, that people can not be moral without religion.
 
Drummie123 said:
"There is also a frightening prospect that some people can not be moral without religion."

Uhh... that is the point of the George Washington quote, that people can not be moral without religion.
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Not what I saw. I know what he meant but then again, I could be mistaken. ;)

Do you think people can be moral without religion yourself? I want to know your opinion.
 
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