Marxism is the never-ending boogeyman of the right

Taichiliberal said:
Racist, fascist assholes are heavy into revisionism.....they love to redefine words, phrases and terminology to suit their needs. So what the Nazi's and Mussolini say, given the historical record, are nothing but a piss in the wind.

Interesting how you seem to parrot their mindset....inadvertently proving the thread subject title and OP.
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Lets see if the actual words of the fascist Mussolini and Hitler will get you to see the light concerning this fascist ideology.

As with communism, under fascism, every citizen was regarded as an employee and tenant of the totalitarian, party-dominated state. Consequently, it was the state's prerogative to use force, or the threat of it, to suppress even peaceful opposition.

The Fascist Mussolini wrote in his biography:

"The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against any law of the Collectivity. The Fascist State with its corporate conception puts men and their possibilities into productive work and interprets for them the duties they have to fulfill."

Similarly, Adolph Hitler, whose National Socialist (Nazi) Party adapted Fascism to Germany beginning in 1933, said:

"The state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property.

Now go ahead and tell us how you and or other leftists here consider right wingers' (who are capitalists, individualists) are in any way associated with the leftist fascist ideology of the collectivist, government controlled mindset.
 
Libhater said:
Lets see if the actual words of the fascist Mussolini and Hitler will get you to see the light concerning this fascist ideology.

As with communism, under fascism, every citizen was regarded as an employee and tenant of the totalitarian, party-dominated state. Consequently, it was the state's prerogative to use force, or the threat of it, to suppress even peaceful opposition.

The Fascist Mussolini wrote in his biography:

"The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against any law of the Collectivity. The Fascist State with its corporate conception puts men and their possibilities into productive work and interprets for them the duties they have to fulfill."

Similarly, Adolph Hitler, whose National Socialist (Nazi) Party adapted Fascism to Germany beginning in 1933, said:

"The state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property.

Now go ahead and tell us how you and or other leftists here consider right wingers' (who are capitalists, individualists) are in any way associated with the leftist fascist ideology of the collectivist, government controlled mindset.
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Are all right wingers extremely stupid? Reading this forum, yes.
 
Libhater said:
Lets see if the actual words of the fascist Mussolini and Hitler will get you to see the light concerning this fascist ideology.

As with communism, under fascism, every citizen was regarded as an employee and tenant of the totalitarian, party-dominated state. Consequently, it was the state's prerogative to use force, or the threat of it, to suppress even peaceful opposition.

The Fascist Mussolini wrote in his biography:

"The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against any law of the Collectivity. The Fascist State with its corporate conception puts men and their possibilities into productive work and interprets for them the duties they have to fulfill."

Similarly, Adolph Hitler, whose National Socialist (Nazi) Party adapted Fascism to Germany beginning in 1933, said:

"The state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property.

Now go ahead and tell us how you and or other leftists here consider right wingers' (who are capitalists, individualists) are in any way associated with the leftist fascist ideology of the collectivist, government controlled mindset.
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Let me help you jump directly to the lightbulb. Giovanni Gentile created/authored fascism, and those ideas resonated with Hitler and Mussolini. Just as Karl Marx's socialism/communism sounds so humane and peaceful and otally wonderful when described from Marx's point of view, fascism sounds even moreso when described by Gentile. In fact, fascism is just Gentile's "adjustment" or "minor tweak" to Marxism, but it made a huge difference historically.

First, Gentile was a huge fan of Marx and of Marxism. Marxism formed the entire basis for his thought process. But there was one, small detail that just didn't sit right Gentile: the marketing.

Karl Marx was all about appealing to the proletariat to join the struggle against the bourgeoisie, i.e. a class struggle. Gentile thought "Hey, the people aren't going to be motivated to join some "class struggle" that they don't see applying to them. He figured that the majority of people wouldn't even know to what "class" they belong. But EVERYONE knows to what country they belong, or want to belong. Gentile argued that socialism should be marketed to the displaced and to those who have been abandoned by governments and societies. Gentile argued that the political party that adopted nationalism as its platform and that promised all a place within the social order, would be gladly given absolute power by the people as they rally around the national banner. Gentile argued that (and this is where the "warm, good feelings" enter the picture) the nation needed to be a family; government was the "loving,guiding parents" and the people were the "loved children who need guidance."

So Hitler and Mussolini implemented Marxism through Gentile marketing ... which forms fascism. History recorded how the German people wildly cheered Hitler's horrific rhetoric "for the good of the Fatherland." In Russia's case, the Motherland. Just watch the FIFA World Cup sometime and get a good idea of what Gentile was talking about regarding leveraging nationalism to generate energy and support.

So fascism is Marxist socialism with nationalism used as marketing. This is why today, whenever someone like Trump adopts a platform to make the country better, dishonest leftists start screaming "He's a fascist" and "He's a white nationalist", i.e. trying to link Trump to nationalism/fascism and then, by implication, to the NAZIs.

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Apollyon 2023 said:
Exactly ! Hitler's main goal was to hug a tree,and save the whales.
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Nope. Hitler's goals were:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production

... and he succeeded in accomplishing ...

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
 
IBDaMann said:
Nope. Hitler's goals were:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production

... and he succeeded in accomplishing ...

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
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That sounds fascist!
 
Libhater said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Racist, fascist assholes are heavy into revisionism.....they love to redefine words, phrases and terminology to suit their needs. So what the Nazi's and Mussolini say, given the historical record, are nothing but a piss in the wind.

Interesting how you seem to parrot their mindset....inadvertently proving the thread subject title and OP.
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Lets see if the actual words of the fascist Mussolini and Hitler will get you to see the light concerning this fascist ideology.

As with communism, under fascism, every citizen was regarded as an employee and tenant of the totalitarian, party-dominated state. Consequently, it was the state's prerogative to use force, or the threat of it, to suppress even peaceful opposition.

The Fascist Mussolini wrote in his biography:

"The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against any law of the Collectivity. The Fascist State with its corporate conception puts men and their possibilities into productive work and interprets for them the duties they have to fulfill."

Similarly, Adolph Hitler, whose National Socialist (Nazi) Party adapted Fascism to Germany beginning in 1933, said:

"The state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property.

Now go ahead and tell us how you and or other leftists here consider right wingers' (who are capitalists, individualists) are in any way associated with the leftist fascist ideology of the collectivist, government controlled mindset.
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I swear, your stubbornly proud ignorance and revisionism just seems to get worse.

Let's try it again: Racists, fascists, despots, dictators....they ALL have a manifesto or set of rules and such that justify their actions. Many times, they will try to seem legitimate to the general population by co-opting familiar terminology or nomenclature into their propaganda. They do this to gain supporters and/or to label their detractors as "enemies of the people". Their tactic works on the ignorant (willful or otherwise) who are eager to hate, eager to blame their personal or societal problems on "the other". History has shown this in Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Imperialist Japan, Communist China...later in variations in Marcos' Philippines, Franco's Spain, Pahvil's Iran, Hussein's Iraq, etc. Similarities in the declarations, writings, etc. are parroted by people like you eager to find justifications in your own trollish agenda.


Another aspect is the sheer stupidity of such a tactic. Case in point: the Nazi's (german for "new party") were initially calling themselves National Socialist....yet they were the arch enemies of Communist....and folk like YOU have been swearing for years that socialism is a precursor to communism. A bit of a contradiction, n'cest pas?

Repetition is key to this type or verbal revisionism...the belief that a lie repeated long and loud will be believed as truth by some. So your quotes essentially are examples of what I previously pointed out....as well as your end paragraph blather.

I have no delusion of trying to get you to concede a point in public (hopefully, the seeds of realization are planted in your mind for your personal life)....I'm just making an example of your nonsense for the reading public. Carry on.
 
Libhater said:
Hitler and the #1 Fascist in history...Mussolini worked hand in hand by applying their Fascist ideology and actions, and you call that revisionism? You are right though in calling all leftist fascists both racists and assholes.
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No dimwit, I call a group of people who label themselves "national socialist" but hate communist and embrace fascists who talk the same blather you do "revisionists".
 
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