Masks don't prevent transmission of Viruses

Mott the Hoople said:
Really? You sure about that? Or are you guilty of confirmation bias?

What about these peer reviewed research that shows that wearing face mask are effective in preventing the transmission of Covid 19? This was from an exhaustive 30 second search of the peer reviewed literature;

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302301

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/abs/10.1098/rsif.2009.0295.focus

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1442.short

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435.short

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673620311429

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163445320302358

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468042720300117

Now these are all current studies and I would challenge to answer the criticisms of the older studies you linked that they are underpowered (the sample size were to small to answer the question) and that they fail to account for viral adherence.

So even though there is certainly a lack of scientific knowledge on transmission rates of COVID 19 the current peer reviewed literature is indicating that community wide use of face mask can reduce Community wide COVID 19 transmission rates by approximately 50%.

What do you have to say about that?

I think the contradictions to your position makes it abundantly clear on two things. #1. The science that wearing face masks is not effective at lowering transmission rates of viruses like COVID 19 is anything but conclusive as is indicated by the current peer reviewed research and #2. You suck at research.
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What exactly do you dispute in the article I posted? Can you copy n paste the item you dispute into a quote here on this thread and explain why you dispute it? No lefty has been able to do this yet, and none have even been able to demonstrate that they got past the headline. I'm still waiting for a lefty to pick out a couple items from the article to quote here and pick them apart, but apparently no lefty can find any faults in the content of the article.
 
Nordberg said:
Masks work. It has been proven over and over and scientific experiments proved they work. That is the fact.
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Wrong thread, this is the one where the opening post asks you to quote any disputes of the article right here on this thread for the world to see. Agree with everything in the article that the thread is about though, which is why you will not be disputing anything from the article. Your next post will be something besides disputing an item from the article, it will be dodge, deflect, invert, convert, divert, redefine, or otherwise evade.
 
Evmetro said:
What exactly do you dispute in the article I posted? Can you copy n paste the item you dispute into a quote here on this thread and explain why you dispute it? No lefty has been able to do this yet, and none have even been able to demonstrate that they got past the headline. I'm still waiting for a lefty to pick out a couple items from the article to quote here and pick them apart, but apparently no lefty can find any faults in the content of the article.
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Can you read? I have specifically disputed that wearing face masks does not help prevent the transmission of COVID 19 and did so by posting CURRENT peer reviewed research indicating that it not only helps but does so dramatically by between 40-80% as evidence contradicting your claim.

Not only that but I disputed the peer reviewed literature you posted by asking you to account for why the studies you cited are underpowered and don’t account for viral adherence. Don’t you think viral adherence is an important consideration in viral transmission rates?

Also, you damned fool, how does my actually being educated in human biology and contradicting your egregious bias towards the science somehow magically make someone a “Lefty”.

I guess if by using that logic than any educated in science is a lefty.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
Can you read? I have specifically disputed that wearing face masks does not help prevent the transmission of COVID 19 and did so by posting CURRENT peer reviewed research indicating that it not only helps but does so dramatically by between 40-80%.

Not only that but I disputed the peer reviewed literature you posted by asking you to account for why the studies you cited are underpowered and don’t account for viral adherence. Don’t you think viral adherence is an important consideration in viral transmission rates?
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All I can see is a dispute of the title of the article, which is about all I expect from a lefty. You have not even demonstrated that you have read and understand the article. Copy n paste the specific items from the article that you dispute here and explain how they are flawed.
 
rjhenn said:
Clearly, you're the one who is "fucked in the head."

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So you want us to believe that there is something trump could do that you scrotum lickers would approve of?? Not only are you a fucking moron but you're a delusional asshole If you think anyone believes that.
 
Evmetro said:
All I can see is a dispute of the title of the article, which is about all I expect from a lefty. You have not even demonstrated that you have read and understand the article. Copy n paste the specific items from the article that you dispute here and explain how they are flawed.
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You are reading impaired. I have read the article and presented you with peer reviewed evidence contradicting them. Have you read the abstracts? I did.

I will also repeat the charge that the articles you sighted are criticized for having to small a sample size to be statistically significant and don’t address the fact that they ignore the issue of viral adherence which I have challenged you on and you ignore but you are pretty good at making illogical circular arguments and political ad homs.

What is clear to me is you are guilty of confirmation bias by not evaluating evidence for in favor of the evidence against. Which means you don’t have clue what you’re talking about and don’t understand how scientific research works.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
You are reading impaired. I have read the article and presented you with peer reviewed evidence contradicting them? Have you read the abstracts? I did.

I will also repeat the charge that the articles you sighted are criticized for having to small a sample size to be statistically significant and don’t address the fact that they ignore the issue of viral adherence which I have challenged you on and you ignore but you are pretty good at making illogical circular arguments and political ad homs.

What is clear to me is you are guilty of confirmation bias by not evaluating evidence for in favor of the evidence against which means you don’t have clue what you’re talking about and don’t understand how scientific research works.
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:tardthoughts:
 
Evmetro said:
All I can see is a dispute of the title of the article, which is about all I expect from a lefty. You have not even demonstrated that you have read and understand the article. Copy n paste the specific items from the article that you dispute here and explain how they are flawed.
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correct
 
Nordberg said:
The science and evidence is clear.
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That it is.

Nordberg said:
Masks prevent the transmission of the virus.
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DEBUNKED... See my sig.

Nordberg said:
There is no debate unless you are anti-science
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Mantra 17.

Nordberg said:
and are warping your thoughts to back Trump's disastrous mishandling of Corona.
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Define and present examples of this supposed "disastrous mishandling"?

Nordberg said:
There is no doubt that masks prevent you from spreading it on your droplets and it stops others droplets from reaching you. They work.
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DEBUNKED... See my sig.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I have disputed it, dude. Several times on several threads. If you want to think wearing masks is a vast, wide global Marxist conspiracy, no one can stop you. You're free to also believe the Sun goes around the Earth and that the Moon landing was faked.
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Mantras 35a, 35b1

Dutch Uncle said:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
Evidence for Effectiveness of Masks

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
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Mantras 4a, 4b, 4f, 39b, 39f, 39g.


No valid argumentation presented.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Really? You sure about that? Or are you guilty of confirmation bias?
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I am sure. See my sig for the debunking of the "masks help" claim. See my "Cult of the Mask" sig for the whole picture of what is really happening regarding the COVID fear mongering...

Mott the Hoople said:
... deleted holy links and misunderstanding of what science is and how it works...
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Mott the Hoople said:
BTW I’m not just some “Lefty” I have graduate education in human biology that included studies in microbiology, medical microbiology, virology and immunology. What’s your educational background in the life sciences?
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I don't believe you.

Also, Mantras 36a, 36b.
 
gfm7175 said:
I am sure. See my sig for the debunking of the "masks help" claim. See my "Cult of the Mask" sig for the whole picture of what is really happening regarding the COVID fear mongering...


I don't believe you.

Also, Mantras 36a, 36b.
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I honestly don’t care what you believe. Unless you can provide me with reputable evidence that can persuade me and I am definitely open minded on the subject but don’t give me a bunch of political nonsense or a one sided biased argument that evade any evidence to the contrary that Ever Know Nothing did.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I honestly don’t care what you believe.
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Mantra 5.

Mott the Hoople said:
Unless you can provide me with reputable evidence that can persuade me
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See my sig for my arguments regarding masks.

Mott the Hoople said:
and I am definitely open minded on the subject
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I don't believe you.

Mott the Hoople said:
but don’t give me a bunch of political nonsense or a one sided biased argument that evade any evidence to the contrary that Ever Know Nothing did.
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Mantra 22.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You are reading impaired. I have read the article and presented you with peer reviewed evidence contradicting them. Have you read the abstracts? I did.

I will also repeat the charge that the articles you sighted are criticized for having to small a sample size to be statistically significant and don’t address the fact that they ignore the issue of viral adherence which I have challenged you on and you ignore but you are pretty good at making illogical circular arguments and political ad homs.

What is clear to me is you are guilty of confirmation bias by not evaluating evidence for in favor of the evidence against. Which means you don’t have clue what you’re talking about and don’t understand how scientific research works.
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I only linked to one article. Please copy and paste what you dispute from the article and post it here so I can see what exactly you are disputing.
 
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