Mason and Madison on pardon power.

Geeko Sportivo said:
There will be a Post-Trump cleanup of legislative changes required to prevent future presidents to abuse executive privilege.

Thanks to Donald Trump's abusing executive privilege to conduct crimes in the Oval Office, some of those executive privileges must now be removed.to prevent any more Constitutional crisis.

Look for the pardon privilege to be history! Gone- Wiped off the face of the earth!

Seems our forefathers had no idea someone so sleezy, someone so slimy, someone so sinister like Donald Trump, would ever be voted into office in the first place.

But to allow a sinister president a loophole, where he could just dangle a pardon out in front of a witness to the crimes of the president, use it as a bribe, to encourage the witness to lie under oath to Congress or the Justice department, was a complete oversight by the forefathers.

And even though there is really no law on the books that says a president cannot be indicted or prosecuted for federal crimes, and since the Justice department has created a statute of it's own to not indict or prosecute a sitting president anyway, that Justice Department crazytown statute will be eliminated.

Yes, from now on a sitting president will be subject to indictment and prosecution. Future presidents will no longer be allowed to have a get-out-of-jail-free card just because they are the president.

And I also look for some kind of change in the privilege of firing and hiring justice department officials by a president. The privilege of hiring your own crony to be the Attorney General and use him/her to coverup your crimes and go after your political adversaries will no longer be possible.

So this will force changes in the Senate. In order for a Justice Department official to be fired or hired, it must first meet the approval of BOTH branches of Congress- THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

These changes will be made immediately following Trump's defeat from office and with a new Senate leader and president in place.

You better believe the Democrats will resolve these issues that have caused all of these Constitutional Crisis's created by the sleezebag president Donald TRUMP!
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StoneByStone said:
And as you may have noticed, I don't really engage with the Fascists here who just sperg out and name-call. At most, I'll troll people like you, because it's funny. But it's impossible to have a true discussion with the Unhinged Right.
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You think I care; now THAT is funny. I am amused when clueless dumb fucks like you label anyone they disagree with as Nazi's, racists, Trumpcucks and Fascists. It's a convenient way to avoid having to defend your ignorance and stupidity.

You're rapidly becoming the queen of sperging, lying and crying. ;)
 
Truth Detector said:
You think I care; now THAT is funny. I am amused when clueless dumb fucks like you label anyone they disagree with as Nazi's, racists, Trumpcucks and Fascists. It's a convenient way to avoid having to defend your ignorance and stupidity.

You're rapidly becoming the queen of sperging, lying and crying. ;)
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Why so angry?
 
Jarod said:
At the present time we have a bunch of enabling Republicans in the Senate, I’m feeling like that might be about to change.
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delusional. pardon powers are well established. I think they are actually in the Constitution
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
There will be a Post-Trump cleanup of legislative changes required to prevent future presidents to abuse executive privilege.

Thanks to Donald Trump's abusing executive privilege to conduct crimes in the Oval Office, some of those executive privileges must now be removed.to prevent any more Constitutional crisis.

Look for the pardon privilege to be history! Gone- Wiped off the face of the earth!

Seems our forefathers had no idea someone so sleezy, someone so slimy, someone so sinister like Donald Trump, would ever be voted into office in the first place.

But to allow a sinister president a loophole, where he could just dangle a pardon out in front of a witness to the crimes of the president, use it as a bribe, to encourage the witness to lie under oath to Congress or the Justice department, was a complete oversight by the forefathers.

And even though there is really no law on the books that says a president cannot be indicted or prosecuted for federal crimes, and since the Justice department has created a statute of it's own to not indict or prosecute a sitting president anyway, that Justice Department crazytown statute will be eliminated.

Yes, from now on a sitting president will be subject to indictment and prosecution. Future presidents will no longer be allowed to have a get-out-of-jail-free card just because they are the president.

And I also look for some kind of change in the privilege of firing and hiring justice department officials by a president. The privilege of hiring your own crony to be the Attorney General and use him/her to coverup your crimes and go after your political adversaries will no longer be possible.

So this will force changes in the Senate. In order for a Justice Department official to be fired or hired, it must first meet the approval of BOTH branches of Congress- THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

These changes will be made immediately following Trump's defeat from office and with a new Senate leader and president in place.

You better believe the Democrats will resolve these issues that have caused all of these Constitutional Crisis's created by the sleezebag president Donald TRUMP!
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huh?
what a steaming pile of weird word associations
 
OBAMA PARDONED/COMMUTED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY POTUS IN HISTORY...REAL CRIMINALS...UNLIKE STONE....AS DID CLINTON.
 
Obama pardoned lots of people who he did not know, but were sentenced to very long terms for weed. The pardoning power is supposed to be righting wrongs. Trump has pardoned or commuted people he knows ,and who showed loyalty.He is using the powers for his own ends. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/12/8900...e-of-trump-rewarding-his-friends-scholars-say Trump is not using it as it was established, but Trump being Trump, he will take advantage of anything to help himself.
 
Jarod said:
George Mason: "The president ought not to have the power of pardoning b/c he may pardon crimes advised by himself."

John Madison's reply: "If the President be connected in any suspicious manner w/ any person & there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House can impeach him."
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If there is one thing Democrats have taught us it is history in this country is meaningless to them. You fail here. Go sit in the corner.
 
Grokmaster said:
OBAMA PARDONED/COMMUTED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY POTUS IN HISTORY...REAL CRIMINALS...UNLIKE STONE....AS DID CLINTON.
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The sob that tried to sell a senate seat was a fuckin criminal w/out a doubt, just like your mango messiah.......... There is no reason on earth or hell for pardoning that sob, none........ He could pardon jack the ripper & you would praise him..:palm:
 
He never left.

Res. 611, Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998
on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (first article, 228–206) and obstruction of justice
(third article, 221–212).
 
Bill said:
The sob that tried to sell a senate seat was a fuckin criminal w/out a doubt, just like your mango messiah.......... There is no reason on earth or hell for pardoning that sob, none........ He could pardon jack the ripper & you would praise him..:palm:
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curious which sob you are ranting about?
Is Stone like Jack the Ripper?
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
Why angry? Trump supporters finally realized how widely despised Trump is.
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How are Trump's supporters angry? Aren't you leftists the one's shouting down people, the mobs running through Blue State urban shitholes burning and looting and tearing down statues?

The anger is ALL from the left. The only thing that makes me mad are leftist assholes who wish to tear down our country, make a mockery of our institutions and attack this President for no better reason than he beat you.

If you hate mongering fucks dislike this country so damned much, MOVE!! No one is forcing you to stay here. ;)

Better yet, KILL yourselves.
 
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