Matthew 6:5

It is better....and just the beginning.... (they'll try to blame it on his speech impediment, somehow, just wait....that's going to be the go to excuse for everything that goes wrong from now on....;)

I seem to remember a certain fake "teacher" -- a fake sped teacher of all things -- recently mocking Biden's stuttering disability. Remember that, Toxic? You wanted to hear him say a tongue-twister?

And you wonder why no one respects you or believes that you had anything to do with teaching other than cleaning up the teachers' lounge after they all went home for the day. :rofl2:
 
I used to think a lot about questions like that, then I gave up.

Everyone says that Hitler was an evil monster and lots of Christians would say that he is now in Hell. Right ?

But Hitler pretty obviously had some serious mental/psychiatric problems, Right? He used to do weird things like drop to the floor and LITERALLY chew the carpet when he was pissed off about something.

What if Hitler was born with bad genes, or what if something in his environment caused his brain to develop abnormally when he was a child. ? He couldn't really be held responsible for this could he ? I mean, he didn't chose to be born with certain bad " genes" that would affect the normal development of some part/s of his brain. Nor did he intentionally chose to be exposed to something (? in his childhood) that caused some part/s of his brain to form in an atypical manner which, in turn, ultimately caused him to loathe Jews and decide to kill 6,000,000 of them in the Holocaust ?


Dachshund

Agreed there was something seriously fucked up with Hitler be it genes and/or disease such as tertiary syphilis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_of_Adolf_Hitler
Adolf Hitler's health has long been a subject of popular controversy. Both his physical and mental health have come under scrutiny. Part of this is because Hitler was extremely inbred,[1][2] possibily having monorchism.[3] With his Father Alois Hitler possibly being his maternal grandfather,[4] and Mother Klara Hitler and Alois Hitler both being second cousins.[5] People who are inbred have a higher chance of having developmental disorders and harmful mutations.[6] This can be seen as four of Hitlers potential brothers all died during child birth,[7] although infant mortality was higher at the time.[8]
 
actually you did you are just too stupid to know what you say

Isn't it funny how our Reichtards love to scold others for not being Xtian enough -- yet think nothing of calling other ppl names, insulting them, spreading false and scurrilous stories (like Biden is a pedo), and assigning various mental illnesses to them? But they're the GOOD Xtians? Hate to see the really bad ones. :laugh:
 
WOOOOOOOOOOOW! That's unreal. I mean, what a piece of work that blowhard is. PALMIST! :seenoevil:
Better than bamaboy's Marine "Corpse" fiasco.

And there's JPP's Bestest Xtian ever! If only you looked at Jesus the way you do your Mango Messiah!

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Agreed there was something seriously fucked up with Hitler be it genes and/or disease such as tertiary syphilis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_of_Adolf_Hitler
Adolf Hitler's health has long been a subject of popular controversy. Both his physical and mental health have come under scrutiny. Part of this is because Hitler was extremely inbred,[1][2] possibily having monorchism.[3] With his Father Alois Hitler possibly being his maternal grandfather,[4] and Mother Klara Hitler and Alois Hitler both being second cousins.[5] People who are inbred have a higher chance of having developmental disorders and harmful mutations.[6] This can be seen as four of Hitlers potential brothers all died during child birth,[7] although infant mortality was higher at the time.[8]

That means that even though he gassed and incinerated 6,000,000 Jews, etc; Hitler may not necessarily have been an evil man (?)

This is the point at which I stop trying to make sense of good and evil.


Dachshund
 
After creating those people as they are

Agreed to an extent. More logically, under that line of thought, is that God created humans with free will. The will to choose. That said, even good children do bad things and make mistakes. Mortals have to abide by laws, so even a good young person can be sent to prison for a single major mistake which is a far cry from eternal damnation in pain and suffering. That's why I believe either Hell doesn't exist or it's a state of mind.

God is all merciful and allows people to choose. If they want to be in God's light, they can choose to do so. If they want to remain in the darkness, they can do that too. If they change their mind and sincerely choose to be in God's light (grace), then can do so. Eternity is without time so phrases like "however long it takes" become meaningless, but souls can still choose and God will always be merciful. Ergo, even Lucifer and Hitler can step back into God's grace. It's up to each of them.
 
And caging and torturing children for needing rescuing


Jesus would not have spared the whip on them
 
That means that even though he gassed and incinerated 6,000,000 Jews, etc; Hitler may not necessarily have been an evil man (?)

This is the point at which I stop trying to make sense of good and evil.


Dachshund

A matter of view point. The pain and suffering Hitler put people through is obviously bad. Evil. The point I was making is that God is all powerful, all knowing and all merciful. The idea of a "eternal damnation" doesn't fit with God doing such a thing. Either God is all merciful or God isn't all merciful. Pick one.
 
That means that even though he gassed and incinerated 6,000,000 Jews, etc; Hitler may not necessarily have been an evil man (?)

This is the point at which I stop trying to make sense of good and evil.


Dachshund


Boy do you confuse easily
 
And caging and torturing children for needing rescuing

Jesus would not have spared the whip on them

Now say Jesus deserved to be crucified and the same should be done to all Christians. Do it upside down like Nero did just for fun.

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Agreed to an extent. More logically, under that line of thought, is that God created humans with free will. The will to choose. That said, even good children do bad things and make mistakes. Mortals have to abide by laws, so even a good young person can be sent to prison for a single major mistake which is a far cry from eternal damnation in pain and suffering. That's why I believe either Hell doesn't exist or it's a state of mind.

God is all merciful and allows people to choose. If they want to be in God's light, they can choose to do so. If they want to remain in the darkness, they can do that too. If they change their mind and sincerely choose to be in God's light (grace), then can do so. Eternity is without time so phrases like "however long it takes" become meaningless, but souls can still choose and God will always be merciful. Ergo, even Lucifer and Hitler can step back into God's grace. It's up to each of them.



Hell was a concept to get people to comply with the organized religion


A power structure designed to control the population through organized religion


A fantasy of the wealthy and powerful of the time
 
A matter of view point. The pain and suffering Hitler put people through is obviously bad. Evil. The point I was making is that God is all powerful, all knowing and all merciful. The idea of a "eternal damnation" doesn't fit with God doing such a thing. Either God is all merciful or God isn't all merciful. Pick one.

I agree. Even a man who does the most evil things on Earth only has a finite lifespan, and therefore, logically, does not deserve INFINITE punishment for the wicked things that he did on Earth for, say, the 70 or 80 years he was alive. An ETERNITY( of damnation) is MUCH longer time than 70 or 80 years.


Dachshund
 
Hell was a concept to get people to comply with the organized religion

A power structure designed to control the population through organized religion

A fantasy of the wealthy and powerful of the time
That's one view point. In the days before books, radio, television and the internet, people spent a lot more time sitting around the campfire talking.....about 200,000 years worth of talking.

Like you and I, they pondered the meaning of existence. Depending upon the region of the world they lived, a consensus developed. All tribes/cultures have "origin" stories. For some reason, at least in the US, only the Christian origin story is ridiculed. Atheists don't ridicule other religions and cultures for some reason, which I find curious.

That said, as human tech advanced, those stories were eventually written down. For Jews, Christians, Muslims and Mormons, Moses (either a person or a small group of people) wrote down the first five books of what evolved into the Bible. Regardless of the writings used, the written beliefs became the cultural norm for human societies for over a thousand years before radio.

Before the printing press was invented in the 15th century, a tribe or village might only have one book. If they did, in Western Society that book was a Bible, usually held the the local priest. Very few villagers had the time to become literate because they were too busy trying to stay alive. After Guttenberg, lots of books were printed, but the best seller remained the Bible.

Less than a hundred years after the mass printing of the Bible, Martin Luther published his Ninety-five Theses and a slow explosion of various ideas followed, including literacy of the population. Yes, the rich learned to read first and the poor last, but literacy spread.

Back to your point: I disagree. Yes, powerful assholes seek to dominate other people. They'll use whatever tools are available including, as Marx wrote, the opium of the people. No tool is evil, wrong, bad or even good, right. It's just a tool. It's how it's used that matters. Yes, evil people have misused religion just like evil people have misused other tools and forms of power. Your claim that religion is only like Marx claimed is wrong since it's much more than a tool of evil as evidenced by the good people have done with it.
 
Agreed to an extent. More logically, under that line of thought, is that God created humans with free will. The will to choose. That said, even good children do bad things and make mistakes. Mortals have to abide by laws, so even a good young person can be sent to prison for a single major mistake which is a far cry from eternal damnation in pain and suffering. That's why I believe either Hell doesn't exist or it's a state of mind.

God is all merciful and allows people to choose. If they want to be in God's light, they can choose to do so. If they want to remain in the darkness, they can do that too. If they change their mind and sincerely choose to be in God's light (grace), then can do so. Eternity is without time so phrases like "however long it takes" become meaningless, but souls can still choose and God will always be merciful. Ergo, even Lucifer and Hitler can step back into God's grace. It's up to each of them.

So what, exactly, is "God's light"? Is that merely a belief in some deity, or is it a way of life in which the person behaves ethically in their dealings with both humans and other life forms? What if the person doesn't espouse a belief in any deity, but still conducts him/herself ethically?
 
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