Medieval America puts six to death .
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Actually, Moon, it isn't.
Murder is the illegal taking of a human life.
If the death is "by government decree"...it is not illegal...and not murder.
Anyone who supposes that life in prison without the chance of parole (the most frequently used alternative to capital punishment) is less gruesome or brutal or disgusting...has to think about that a bit longer.
There is no punishment I can think of that is excessively cruel than life in prison without the chance of parole. It is MUCH more humane to execute the individual.
moon
Satire for Sanity
That's true if you believe that there is a 'legal ' taking of human life- a belief to which I do not subscribe.
There are greater laws than national laws- and greater laws than Man's.
Apologies for the sermon. I am an Internet ordained preacher.
Haw, haw...............................................haw.
volsrock1
Verified User
Charles Manson seemed to enjoy life in prison got married loved painting etc
He looks in total agony
So you think what Charles Manson feels is the standard we should use?
Okay.
No telling about taste.
volsrock1
Verified User
Most on death row plead and beg for death sentence to be turned to life... tells u right there which they consider worse
Ted Bundy cried his ass off he was terrified going into execution..he wanted to stay in his cell
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T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
My position is more nuanced than that. Commit a murder, go to prison. Commit a second afterwards, go to Hell (be killed). Commit a violent crime, go to prison. Continue to commit violent crimes, go to Hell.
The death penalty should exist as a deterrent to those who choose to be career criminals. When you commit crimes on a continuing basis and deterrents like fines, jail time, and the like have had no effect, it's time we off you so you don't continue to be a huge negative burden on society.
Your version says you are fine with someone who has committed murder, then commits more murder after being punished, then goes to prison and murders another inmate or a guard in prison. I say, enough is enough. At some point we shouldn't tolerate your violence any longer. Kill the mutherfucker.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Then punish her for doing that.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
At least you're consistent. I can appreciate that, even if I disagree.
moon
Satire for Sanity
I reduced your ..er....contribution. The rest of it was just you attempting to convince others that you are not just a blood-lusting psychopath.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
You are an idiot. That is taken completely out of context, something the Left loves to do because they can't argue the concept any other way.
christiefan915
Catalyst
I don't agree it's a given that many lifers will kill guards or inmates. For guards, I looked for current stats but only found this one from 2013. Feel free to correct the math but it looks like 36 guards killed in a prison system with more than 2 million inmates.
- There were 113 correctional officer fatalities reported — the fatality rate was 2.7 per 100,000 FTEs (CI = ± 0.8);
- Assaults, violent acts and transportation-related fatalities accounted for 80 percent of all fatalities;
- Among fatal assaults and violent acts, 62 percent were due to homicides and 38 percent were due to suicides by self-inflicted gunshot wounds; and
- Of the homicides, 65 percent were committed by inmates and the remaining were committed by coworkers, strangers or personal relations of the correctional officer.
Then you're saying that it's okay for the state to kill a murdering prisoner but not for another prisoner to do it when the end result's the same.
A lot of death penalty advocates use the monetary argument to justify killing, i.e. it's cheaper to kill the guy than to lock him up for life. None of the above positions make sense to me. They are all "eye for an eye." I'm not trying to change anybody's mind, I'm just giving my reasons for not supporting capital punishment. And again, I believe the reason is that it's immoral.
ExpressLane
Verified User
Remind me how many hostages did the Hamas terrorist just execute?Five executions in six days. These primitives are not fit to govern a small toilet, let alone a state.
Six days of horror: America’s thirst for executions returns with a vengeance
Five executions, five states: a glut of judicial killing not seen in 20 years took place last week – and there was nothing random about itwww.theguardian.com
christiefan915
Catalyst
Manson spent over 75% of his life in prisons. That's what he was accustomed to. He wasn't someone who was a success at life outside.
volsrock1
Verified User
Manson spent over 75% of his life in prisons
At a huge cost to the taxpayer's...he should have been put to death in 1972
Not getting married and eating cake
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
So, the death of 113, or 36, people at the hands of prisoners in prisons is an acceptable loss compared to the loss of say an equal number of murderers, rapists, or repeat violent career criminals being put to death for you hum? 113, 36, whatever the number of people who committed no crime should have to die because you are unwilling to kill those that murder, rape, or repeatedly commit violent crimes?
Great set of morals you have there. Oh, by the way, I've never mentioned the monetary aspect of this, just the moral relevance of allowing a monster to remain alive to kill more people, commit more crime, while innocents suffer for it. I find that immoral and unacceptable.
ExpressLane
Verified User
It isn't murder it is legal killing. So do you think your preferred country killing its enemies is sick?
ExpressLane
Verified User
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenne...ff was one of 20,to have begun killing again.
Kenneth McDuff in Texas was in jail for murder he was released and ultimately killed many more people.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
There's Thomas Silverstein...
This guy was a real piece of work. In addition an original armed bank robbery charge, Silverstein once in prison killed 3 other inmates and a guard. The federal prison system's solution was essentially infinite solitary confinement, not some permanent solution since he killed the guard while in solitary confinement.
Thomas Silverstein, Killer and Most Isolated Inmate, Dies at 67 (Published 2019)
Convicted of murdering a guard and two fellow prisoners, he had been in solitary confinement since 1983, personifying, to some, cruel and unusual punishment.
So, by keeping this POS alive, he managed to kill 4 people all while in prison. Multiple life sentences and solitary confinement didn't stop that. Did those other inmates and the guard deserve to die because Silverstein's life was more valuable than theirs?