Meet the Martians

A bit warm which is why the poles would be the best place to be given there was a surface colony.

My solution is to take all of the nukes on Earth and nuke the shit out of Venus to blow off the atmosphere then work from there. :)

Not saying it would work, but the light show would be EPIC!

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Good gods, NO! It would ruin any chance at doing science. Cypress's article even said there are traces of phosphine in the atmosphere. We can't go around killing other possible lifeforms. Prime directive!
 
Good idea. It's high time we had an International Space Agency as well. Like the U.N. but for space exploration. Forget that stupid Space Farce that the Toadstool cooked up.

I agree. Space exploration should be an international initiative, and it is probably one of the best ways to get nations to work together cooperatively.
 
I agree. Space exploration should be an international initiative, and it is probably one of the best ways to get nations to work together cooperatively.

Agreed. Not just for peace, love, dove, but because of the cost involved.
 
:whoa:

Good gods, NO! It would ruin any chance at doing science. Cypress's article even said there are traces of phosphine in the atmosphere. We can't go around killing other possible lifeforms. Prime directive!

We could check to make sure there is no life before blowing off a major part of the atmosphere to reduce surface pressures. :)

BTW, the surface of Venus is pretty flat and nasty. Lots of volcanic activity.

https://www.eso.org/public/outreach/eduoff/vt-2004/Background/Infol2/EIS-D6.html#

That said, colonizing the Moon or Mars is much easier compared to Venus.
 
We should probably clean up our own nest first, before we go shit in another one. :laugh:

That's not the way human beings roll. :D

We usually make a big fucking mess then leave like teenagers going to a friends house for a party while the parents are out of town. ;)
 
Mars pics from Perseverance are slowly coming in as tests on the systems are completed.

Perseverance has its own Twitter page. The picture below is from the "jetpack" that landed Perseverance under power on a tether, then cut the tethers and flew away to crash.



Artist drawing;
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/...d-mars-rover-begins-a-new-era-of-exploration/
NASA’s latest mission to the Red Planet will seek out signs of ancient life, gather samples for return to Earth, and even fly a first-of-its-kind interplanetary helicopter
Shortly after 3:44 P.M. Eastern time today, a visitor from Earth fell from a clear, cold Martian sky into a 3.5-billion-year old, 50-kilometer-wide bowl of rock, dust and volcanic ash called Jezero Crater that once held a large lake. Seven minutes earlier, it had touched the top of the planet’s atmosphere at nearly 20,000 kilometers per hour, bleeding off most of its speed through friction, protected from the resulting fireball by a heat shield. A supersonic parachute the size of a Little League baseball field unfurled to slow it further, followed by a final computer-piloted descent on a robotic jetpack called a sky crane, which used a detachable tether to gently lower the visitor to rest upon the crater floor. Far overhead, orbital spacecraft monitored its progress, awaiting the first signals confirming its successful landing, which, beamed Earthward at the speed of light, would arrive at our planet some 11 minutes later.

 
Well with the gravity 38% of the Earth's, it will help with the flying.

Now I'm disappointed. Although this Quora post says something like Mr. Fusion is possible, it's only possible as a matter-energy conversion, not transmutation of elements. Therefore, while we could generate all the energy we need, we'd still need various elements for resources. Mining the Asteroid Belt would make the most sense:

1. No gravity field like mining Mars.

2. Denser elements. The Asteroid Belt is a failed planet. At some point in it's history it was coalescing the disintegrated. Probably due to an impact, like the Moon being knocked off the Earth.

In short, even if mankind develops a matter-energy converter providing unlimited energy by tossing in trash, we'll still need to mine the Solar System for needed elements.
 
Now I'm disappointed. Although this Quora post says something like Mr. Fusion is possible, it's only possible as a matter-energy conversion, not transmutation of elements. Therefore, while we could generate all the energy we need, we'd still need various elements for resources. Mining the Asteroid Belt would make the most sense:

1. No gravity field like mining Mars.

2. Denser elements. The Asteroid Belt is a failed planet. At some point in it's history it was coalescing the disintegrated. Probably due to an impact, like the Moon being knocked off the Earth.

In short, even if mankind develops a matter-energy converter providing unlimited energy by tossing in trash, we'll still need to mine the Solar System for needed elements.

I thought we were going to mine moon, especially for helium-3? That was disappointing.
 
I thought we were going to mine moon, especially for helium-3? That was disappointing.

We can, but we'll still need sources of denser metals. We can't build space stations, colonies and starships out of helium. We need actual iron, aluminum, gold, etc.

The failed planet would have left asteroids of dense metal. The core of the Earth is iron, nickel, and other heavy metals....but that's a little hard to get to.
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/core/

OTOH, a floating mountain or two of solid iron or gold in the Asteroid Belt would be cool. :thup:
 
The pics are amazing. Where's the rest of them?

Have only seen a few...

As usual, they do diagnostics right after the landing. It takes time.

This just released this one. This is a picture of the rover landing. It was about 2 meters above the surface.

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A recent word about the Ingenuity helicopter:

"The technology demonstration has phoned home from where it is attached to the belly of NASA’s Perseverance rover.

Mission controllers at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California have received the first status report from the Ingenuity Mars Helicopter, which landed Feb. 18, 2021, at Jezero Crater attached to the belly of the agency’s Mars 2020 Perseverance rover. The downlink, which arrived at 3:30 p.m. PST (6:30 p.m. EST) via a connection through the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, indicates that both the helicopter, which will remain attached to the rover for 30 to 60 days, and its base station (an electrical box on the rover that stores and routes communications between the rotorcraft and Earth) are operating as expected.

“There are two big-ticket items we are looking for in the data: the state of charge of Ingenuity’s batteries as well as confirmation the base station is operating as designed, commanding heaters to turn off and on to keep the helicopter’s electronics within an expected range,” said Tim Canham, Ingenuity Mars Helicopter operations lead at JPL. “Both appear to be working great. With this positive report, we will move forward with tomorrow’s charge of the helicopter’s batteries.”

Ensuring that Ingenuity has plenty of stored energy aboard to maintain heating and other vital functions while also maintaining optimal battery health is essential to the success of the Mars Helicopter. The one-hour power-up will boost the rotorcraft’s batteries to about 30% of its total capacity. A few days after that, they’ll be charged again to reach 35%, with future charging sessions planned weekly while the helicopter is attached to the rover. The data downlinked during tomorrow’s charge sessions will be compared to battery-charging sessions done during cruise to Mars to help the team plan future charging sessions.

Like much of the 4-pound (2-kilogram) rotorcraft, the six lithium-ion batteries are off-the-shelf. They currently receive recharges from the rover’s power supply. Once Ingenuity is deployed to Mars’ surface, the helicopter’s batteries will be charged solely by its own solar panel.

After Perseverance deploys Ingenuity to the surface, the helicopter will then have a 30-Martian-day (31-Earth-day) experimental flight test window. If Ingenuity survives its first bone-chilling Martian nights – where temperatures dip as low as minus 130 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 90 degrees Celsius) – the team will proceed with the first flight of an aircraft on another world.

If Ingenuity succeeds in taking off and hovering during its first flight, over 90% of the project’s goals will have been achieved. If the rotorcraft lands successfully and remains operable, up to four more flights could be attempted, each one building on the success of the last.

“We are in uncharted territory, but this team is used to that,” said MiMi Aung, project manager for the Ingenuity Mars Helicopter at JPL. “Just about every milestone from here through the end of our flight demonstration program will be a first, and each has to succeed for us to go on to the next. We’ll enjoy this good news for the moment, but then we have to get back to work.”

Next-generation rotorcraft, the descendants of Ingenuity, could add an aerial dimension to future exploration of the Red Planet. These advanced robotic flying vehicles would offer a unique viewpoint not provided by current orbiters high overhead or by rovers and landers on the ground, providing high-definition images and reconnaissance for robots or humans, and enable access to terrain that is difficult for rovers to reach.

More About Ingenuity

The Ingenuity Mars Helicopter was built by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California which also manages the technology demonstration for NASA Headquarters in Washington. NASA’s Ames and Langley Research Centers provided significant flight performance analysis and technical assistance. AeroVironment Inc., Qualcomm, Snapdragon, and SolAero also provided design assistance and major vehicle components. The Mars Helicopter Delivery System was designed and manufactured by Lockheed Space Systems in Denver.

For more information about Ingenuity:

https://go.nasa.gov/ingenuity-press-kit

https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter "

Ingenuity
 
As usual, they do diagnostics right after the landing. It takes time.

This just released this one. This is a picture of the rover landing. It was about 2 meters above the surface.

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That photo of the rover just prior to touch down might become iconic. We have never had a photo like that.
 
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