Litmus
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He did not believe in core jewish beliefs, such as the chosenpeopleness of the jews. This makes him not a jew, and, in fact, the first christian.
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He did not believe in core jewish beliefs, such as the chosenpeopleness of the jews. This makes him not a jew, and, in fact, the first christian.
Christ spoke of the New Covenant before that. And he didn't remain dead.
uscitizen
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So the story goes.....
Spock did not remain dead either
And did not Jesus raise someone from the dead ?
And if you read the bible many were raised from the dead and seen around town for a while after he was crucified....
Litmus
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So the story goes.....
Spock did not remain dead either
And did not Jesus raise someone from the dead ?
And if you read the bible many were raised from the dead and seen around town for a while after he was crucified....
Nevertheless, he believed what he believed prior to dying, making him the first convert from judaism to christianity.
So the story goes.....
Spock did not remain dead either
And did not Jesus raise someone from the dead ?
And if you read the bible many were raised from the dead and seen around town for a while after he was crucified....
LOL
AnyOldIron
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Christ was a Jew. The night of his arrest he was celebrating passover.
True. For the first few decades most christians were practicing Jews, the seperation came after a power struggle in the early church.
True. For the first few decades most christians were practicing Jews, the seperation came after a power struggle in the early church.
Litmus
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But there are significant theological differences between what christ taught and what we now know as present day judaism. He was ethnically a jew, but theologically a christian.
Litmus
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So what. Jesus was still the first christian. Your irrelevancy has no impact, unsuprisingly.
azh
Jesus was one of many reformers and those that claimed to be the messiah
The time period was one of changes and upset among Jews
One of the principal, if not the principal, differences between Jesus’ teachings and traditional Judaism was that the messiah was a teaching not a person.
Like the protestant leaders that later challenged Catholicism, Jesus did not want to replace Judaism, but to reform it.
Christianity per se, did not become a formal religion until after Jesus died and Paul and peter and the other disciples and apostles formalized things during the period following the death and resurrection culminating in the first council of Nicaea circa 300 CE (Common Era or AD).
Like most religions, during its inception and growth, it fractioned into variations of Christ’s teachings.
Who wrote what and when (regarding the old and new testaments) has been a subject of controversy for centuries. E.g., peter was illiterate but all of the writings ascribed to him are written in highly literate Greek. Some of Paul’s writings are not written in his style and supposedly written after his death.
Then there is the entire matter of the apocrypha.
Oh well
Ps my name (in part is Rev. Rich though I am no longer a Christian)
Litmus
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Yeah, but since his attempts at reforming judaism failed, in retrospect, we see he was the first christian. Im not a churchy christian either. Most organized churches have turned into the same kind of elitist sacerdotal system jesus was against.
ahz
Yeah, Luther tried also, look where it got him
I too disavowed organized religions
Now I follow the universal Gaea – no prayers, no priests, no churches/temples – just get on with life and enjoy what you can while you can
usc
that is because he got the spelling wrong
per the Oxford English Dictionary
A. adj.
1. Of or belonging to the priests or priesthood; of or pertaining to a priest; befitting or characteristic of a priest; priestly.
c1400 MANDEVILLE (1839) vi. 66 That Cytee [sc. Ebron] was also Sacerdotalle, that is to seyne, seyntuarie, of the Tribe of Juda. c1450 Mirour Saluacioun 1181 Encense is oblacionne {ygh}e wote is sacerdotale. 1547 Bk. Marchauntes cvjb, The .Cvi. byshop was a woman... I would wit than if shee were chosen Via Spiritus sancti... Item whereby cam the sacerdotall Carecte, & many other thynges whyche for this tyme I let pas [etc.]. 1632 LITHGOW Trav. I. 24 Perugia, a Sacerdotall Vniuersity. 1638 JUNIUS Paint. Ancients 179 A consular, sacerdotal, and triumphall familie. 1654 R. CODRINGTON tr. Justine xx. 288 The Priestess..having on her the Sacerdotial ornaments. 1737 WATERLAND Rev. Doctr. Eucharist v. Wks. 1823 VII. 93 The ancient Fathers are still more particular in expounding the sacerdotal consecration, and the Divine sanctification consequent there~upon. 1739 CIBBER Apol. (1756) I. 110 A cholerick sacerdotal insolence. 1821 BYRON Sardan. II. i, That's a sacerdotal thought, And not a soldier's. 1838 PRESCOTT Ferd. & Is. (1846) I. Introd. 10 Priests..arrayed in their sacerdotal robes, not unfrequently led the armies to battle. 1849 MACAULAY Hist. Eng. iii. I. 326 Thus the sacerdotal office lost its attraction for the higher classes. 1874 GREEN Short Hist. viii. §3. 488 They had none of the sacerdotal independence which Rome had at any rate preserved.
Comb. 1845 S. AUSTIN Ranke's Hist. Ref. II. 7 The destructive forces..which this sacerdotal-military state had certainly not been able to neutralise or destroy.
b. Holding the office of a priest.
1681-6 J. SCOTT Chr. Life (1747) III. 223 He is a Sacerdotal King, i.e. a King that holds his Regal Power in the right and vertue of his Priestly intercession. 1870 DISRAELI Lothair xlvi, His Lordship was a sacerdotal orator of repute.
2. Now often used as the epithet of doctrines that assert the existence in the Christian church of an order of priests charged with sacrificial functions and invested with supernatural powers transmitted to them in ordination.
1871 MORLEY Crit. Misc. Ser. I. Carlyle (1878) 173 It led to the sacramental and sacerdotal developments of Anglicanism. a1884 M. PATTISON Mem. (1885) 166 High sacerdotal doctrines were openly proclaimed.
{dag}B. n. [Cf. med.L. sacerd{omac}t{amac}le.] Priestly function.
a1640 J. BALL Answ. Canne I. (1642) 133 Since they made their new office or sacerdotall, thus they make their catechumine.
Hence sacer{sm}dotally adv., {dag}sacer{sm}dotalness. Also {dag}sacerdo{sm}tality, priestly character.
1668 H. MORE Div. Dial. V. xi. (1713) 447 Philoth... That is also a farther Intimation of their Sacerdotality. 1727 BAILEY vol. II, Sacerdotalness, Priestliness, or Likeness to a Priest. 1836 E. HOWARD R. Reefer ii, He has most sacerdotally put down all the jollity. 1864 Reader III. 671/3 Why does not some scientific man, clothing himself for the moment sacerdotally.., heave back the charges.
per Merriam-Webster
Main Entry: sac·er·do·tal Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: *sas(r)*dd.l, *sak-, -tl
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin sacerdotalis, from sacerdot-, sacerdos priest (from sacer sacred + -dot-, -dos -- akin to Latin facere to make, do) + -alis -al -- more at SACRED, DO
1 a : of or relating to priests or a priesthood : PRIESTLY <sacerdotal literature> <sacerdotal vestments> b : belonging to a priesthood <a sacerdotal teacher>
2 : of, relating to, or suggesting sacerdotalism <a sacerdotal emphasis in tribal religions>
- sac·er·do·tal·ly \-d.l, -tl, -li\ adverb
Citation format for this entry:
"sacerdotal." Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (13 Sep. 2007).
Litmus
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ahz
Yeah, Luther tried also, look where it got him
I too disavowed organized religions
Now I follow the universal Gaea – no prayers, no priests, no churches/temples – just get on with life and enjoy what you can while you can
Thanks for the irrelevant personal info. Christ was still merely ethnically a jew, theologically he was a christian. It's not really my goal to reform churchy christianity. If enough people realize what noahide dipshits organized christian churches have become, the pews will be empty.
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uscitizen
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Litmus
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Well then you apparently abhor concision because this
is exactly what I mean, and is more that just 'priestly'.
Litmus
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I don't have a problem with people being called by god. I have a problem with a priesthood that says only those who have been indocrinated properly with proper beliefs can be called by god.