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[Lao Tse]

Logic is logic. In my case it was completing the mission, the assigned task within established limits.

In the Marine Corps it was always "Mission First" followed by "Troop Welfare". Those two rules were paramount, with Mission First superseding all including, sometimes, the lives of those on the mission. We called it "Operational necessity".

https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/tw5/ht28/assets/docs/university/cnaf-3710.7.pdf
Operational Necessity. A mission associated with
war or peacetime operations in which the consequences
of an action justify accepting the risk of loss of aircraft
and crew.

You're free to call me any names and lie about me all you like even though I think you're more fucked up than a heroin addict.
People will make up their own minds. I'm not interested in a popularity contest. C'est la guerre.

yes. and it can be used for evil and deception. logic and morality/goodness are not the same thing.

you're severely lacking in one of them.

good and evil is a thing.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

if you mean all individuals have an inborn instinct to preserve freedom and choices, I agree.

I don't. You and I, AssHat, agree on virtually NOTHING.
I, you see, am not devolved, and thus retain the cognitive ability of the human species.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

if you mean all individuals have an inborn instinct to preserve freedom and choices, I agree.

Not all, but most. That innate desire applies to dogs and horses too.

 

[Lao Tse]

I don't. You and I, AssHat, agree on virtually NOTHING.
I, you see, am not devolved, and thus retain the cognitive ability of the human species.

it's smart to preserve freedom and choices, generally speaking.

 

[Lao Tse]

Not all, but most. That innate desire applies to dogs and horses too.

yes. many similarities unite members of the animal kingdom.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

yes. and it can be used for evil and deception. logic and morality/goodness are not the same thing.

you're severely lacking in one of them.

good and evil is a thing.

Dude, try looking in the mirror when you say the word "Evil" just so you know what you are talking about.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

it's smart to preserve freedom and choices, generally speaking.

Generally speaking; but freedom from social responsibility, however, precludes maintaining a functioning republic.

That's why the term "Republican" is so misleading when used to describe anarchist seditionists.

The name is good. The members are horrifically bad.

 

[Lao Tse]

Dude, try looking in the mirror when you say the word "Evil" just so you know what you are talking about.

what's my most evil feature? yours, of course, is believing in human slavery.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Generally speaking; but freedom from social responsibility, however, precludes maintaining a functioning republic.

That's why the term "Republican" is so misleading when used to describe anarchist seditionists.

The name is good. The members are horrifically bad.

Please define the limits of "social responsibility". Should a person sell their farm, give out all the money to the poor then join the homeless?

The term "Republican", like the term "Democrat" or "Liberal", doesn't mean what it once did. I preferred the old definitions.

 

[Lao Tse]

Generally speaking; but freedom from social responsibility, however, precludes maintaining a functioning republic.

That's why the term "Republican" is so misleading when used to describe anarchist seditionists.

The name is good. The members are horrifically bad.

you just like oppression. therefore you advise against rights, because it makes oppression easier.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Please define the limits of "social responsibility". Should a person sell their farm, give out all the money to the poor then join the homeless?

A person should pay taxes on a graduated scale as deemed appropriate for their income levels by a freely elected government,
and those taxes should be sufficient to provide a social safety net to meet the requirements of a modern, civilized nation. That's step one in meeting social responsibility.

We can make no claim, at this point, to being a modern, civilized nation. The methods by which we allow our common wealth to be distributed are abusive to the disadvantaged,
and our present laws protect that abuse. The Republican Party presently exists to preserve that abuse.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

what's my most evil feature? yours, of course, is believing in human slavery.

Your propensity to bear false witness against others. OTOH, if you do it because you are mentally ill, then God knows. Obviously God knows when you are bearing false witness as you just did against me.

Not my place to judge your evilness and I can't except by human law.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

you just like oppression. therefore you advise against rights, because it makes oppression easier.

I do in fact believe in oppressing the criminally unjust. Failure to do so would compromise my humanity.
That's not a problem for devolved trumpanzees, however,
and that's why I oppose affording them the same rights to which humans and other advanced animals are naturally entitled.

 

[Lao Tse]

Your propensity to bear false witness against others. OTOH, if you do it because you are mentally ill, then God knows. Obviously God knows when you are bearing false witness as you just did against me.

Not my place to judge your evilness and I can't except by human law.

lol. against whom did I bear false witness and what did I wrongfully assert?

show your work.

 

[Lao Tse]

I do in fact believe in oppressing the criminally unjust. Failure to do so would compromise my humanity.
That's not a problem for devolved trumpanzees, however,
and that's why I oppose affording them the same rights to which humans and other advanced animals are naturally entitled.

do you believe in due process?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

do you believe in due process?

Due process must be afforded to those accused of being in non-compliance with the civil contract.

Those physically attacking the Government of the United States and suppressing free elections are NOT merely in compliance with the civil contract.
They are enemy combatants, and subject to an entirely different response to their actions.

If they're not summarily put down, due process becomes impossible within the anarchy that they're purporting to impose.

What must be remembered is that it's not necessary to attack the capital in order to change our government.
Just win fair and unimpeded elections--but you can't do that unless voting is restricted to a percentage of whites who are blatantly racist.

 

[Lao Tse]

Due process must be afforded to those accused of being in non-compliance with the civil contract.

Those physically attacking the Government of the United and suppressing free elections are NOT merely in compliance with the civil contract.
They are enemy combatants, and subject to an entirely different response to their actions.

If they're not summarily put down, due process becomes impossible within the anarchy that they're purporting to impose.

you're a dangerous psychopath.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

you're a dangerous psychopath.

"Dangerous psychopath" must be the devolved trumpanzee mutant term for "sentient human."
Yes, I guess that I'm that.

 

[Lao Tse]

"Dangerous psychopath" must be the devolved trumpanzee mutant term for "sentient human."
Yes, I guess that I'm that.

you're played out.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

A person should pay taxes on a graduated scale as deemed appropriate for their income levels by a freely elected government,
and those taxes should be sufficient to provide a social safety net to meet the requirements of a modern, civilized nation. That's step one in meeting social responsibility.

We can make no claim, at this point, to being a modern, civilized nation. The methods by which we allow our common wealth to be distributed are abusive to the disadvantaged,
and our present laws protect that abuse. The Republican Party presently exists to preserve that abuse.

We do have such a tax system but have been falling down in the paying our own debts side.

Disagreed on your claim our nation is barbaric with your "no claim...to being a modern, civilized nation" bullshit. If the US isn't, then neither are any other nations.