Mourdock Implodes

So, sometimes when a woman is violated and impregnated against her will, it’s actually a really good thing in the end? Mourdock in an idiot.

i do not understand christians who hold this view. god's will is supreme over this world, however, not everything that happens on this world is god's will. that is very clear from the bible.

when people like this guy make a proclamation about what god's will is, without any support from scripture, it makes me question where they get their "authority". and, as this thread has shown...FRS has not been able to provide any authority. using the word faith alone, is not authority. and that is not what the bible instructs on how we are to know truth from falsehoods.
 
Look... MANY Christian people believe that whatever happens is part of God's plan and He has a reason. This was all Mourdock was articulating, and it has been completely taken out of context to slam Republicans and gin up and unenergized base... Does his comments make you pinhead libtards want to go vote for Obama? If so, the smear campaign has worked!
 
Look... MANY Christian people believe that whatever happens is part of God's plan and He has a reason. This was all Mourdock was articulating, and it has been completely taken out of context to slam Republicans and gin up and unenergized base... Does his comments make you pinhead libtards want to go vote for Obama? If so, the smear campaign has worked!

BULLSHIT

cite anywhere in the bible where it states god says they have to bear a child born from rape
 
BULLSHIT

cite anywhere in the bible where it states god says they have to bear a child born from rape

I'm not arguing that. I didn't say that. I don't defend/explain the Bible or Christian beliefs, I am not a Christian. I merely stated that many Christian followers believe that whatever happens is God's will, good bad or ugly, it's God's will and part of his plan... that's what they believe as a matter of their religious faith, and that's where he is coming from.

Let's be completely honest, how many actual rapes result in pregnancy? What percentage of abortions is this? Do we have some secret epidemic of this sort of thing that I am unaware of? Because I just don't think it's that big of a deal. I don't agree with his viewpoint, I am not endorsing his viewpoint, but it doesn't have beans to do with the national GOP or Republicans. It doesn't affect policy, it can't and won't ever be made law of the land, and so it simply doesn't matter what his personal viewpoint is. He IS, however, entitled to exercise his religion in America, and this is part of that.
 
I'm not arguing that. I didn't say that. I don't defend/explain the Bible or Christian beliefs, I am not a Christian. I merely stated that many Christian followers believe that whatever happens is God's will, good bad or ugly, it's God's will and part of his plan... that's what they believe as a matter of their religious faith, and that's where he is coming from.

Let's be completely honest, how many actual rapes result in pregnancy? What percentage of abortions is this? Do we have some secret epidemic of this sort of thing that I am unaware of? Because I just don't think it's that big of a deal. I don't agree with his viewpoint, I am not endorsing his viewpoint, but it doesn't have beans to do with the national GOP or Republicans. It doesn't affect policy, it can't and won't ever be made law of the land, and so it simply doesn't matter what his personal viewpoint is. He IS, however, entitled to exercise his religion in America, and this is part of that.

So let me get this straight, God wills bad things? Absolutely he is entitled to believe whatever he wants, and if he believes stupid shit, then people get to call him on it, ridicule it, and use it to make sure that rational thinking people don't make the mistake of voting for an idiot.
 
I'm not arguing that. I didn't say that. I don't defend/explain the Bible or Christian beliefs, I am not a Christian. I merely stated that many Christian followers believe that whatever happens is God's will, good bad or ugly, it's God's will and part of his plan... that's what they believe as a matter of their religious faith, and that's where he is coming from.

Let's be completely honest, how many actual rapes result in pregnancy? What percentage of abortions is this? Do we have some secret epidemic of this sort of thing that I am unaware of? Because I just don't think it's that big of a deal. I don't agree with his viewpoint, I am not endorsing his viewpoint, but it doesn't have beans to do with the national GOP or Republicans. It doesn't affect policy, it can't and won't ever be made law of the land, and so it simply doesn't matter what his personal viewpoint is. He IS, however, entitled to exercise his religion in America, and this is part of that.

Melisa Holmes, an ob-gyn in South Carolina, led a study on pregnancies from rape through the National Crime Victims Center. Holmes's study, which was published in 1996, found that 5 percent of rapes in females of reproductive age resulted in pregnancy, amounting to an estimated 32,101 rape-related pregnancies per year in the U.S. Even that astounding number was a "significant underestimation," she says, because so many rapes go unreported.
More recently, in 2003, husband-and-wife team Jonathan and Tiffani Gottschall, then at St. Lawrence University, identified even higher rape-related pregnancy rates. Analyzing survey results from 8,000 women around the country, they determined that 6.4 percent of rapes in women of childbearing age resulted in pregnancy. In cases where no birth control was used, the rate increased to 8 percent.
Meanwhile, a CDC report released last November concluded that 1 in 5 women have been raped, with 1.3 million women age 18 and up raped in 2010 alone. Doing the math, allowing for the use of birth control, and only including adults, the most recent data suggests that more than 83,000 women became pregnant by a man who raped them in 2010.
Jonathan Gottschall recognizes that there's some "squishiness" in all of these numbers because they're based on self-reported data. Still, he says, "the available data give us no reason to think that conception from rape is rare, or even that it is less rare than conception from consensual intercourse. If anything, the data suggest that things go the other way around." Indeed, a 2001 study out of Princeton and the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences found the rate of pregnancy from consensual, unprotected sex to be just 3.1 percent.
Rapists subsconsciously target victims based on their likelihood of conception.No one is sure why forced sex is statistically a more successful reproductive strategy than consensual sex. "We think it might be because rapists tend to target young women at peak fertility," Gottschall says. Holmes confirms that most rapes occur in women under 25, and pre-pubescent girls, post-menopausal women and visibly pregnant women are statistically underrepresented among female rape victims, according to Gordon Gallup, an evolutionary psychologist at SUNY-Albany who wrote about rape-related pregnancy in The Oxford Handbook of Sexual Conflict in Humans.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-08/rape-results-more-pregnancies-not-less
 
So let me get this straight, God wills bad things? Absolutely he is entitled to believe whatever he wants, and if he believes stupid shit, then people get to call him on it, ridicule it, and use it to make sure that rational thinking people don't make the mistake of voting for an idiot.

Well okay, think about that for a hot second... IS God supposedly "omnipotent?" If so, he MUST will it, or it wouldn't happen! Are you suggesting things happen that God can't prevent or stop from happening if he wants to? That's not omnipotence, is it? BAD THINGS happen every day! Innocent people die every day! If it weren't God's will, it wouldn't happen! NOW... WHY? I have no idea, I can't explain why God lets bad things happen, I have no clue.
 
I am a moderate Republican who will always shoot straight. And that means that I will be the first one to call these 'far Right Wing' Republicans over the top....way over the top. I personally am pro life, but would not try to push tha on others if I was running for elected office. These guys that want all forms of abortion for all reasons outlawed make the whole party look bad. Imagine if the Daughter of one of these guys came home raped by somebody, and they had to have a bastard grandchild.

Bottom line, these guys say some idiotic things for sure, and if they lose because of it, they deserve to lose. But, no matter how hard the Dems try, abortion is NOT going to be what drives the female voters. Overwhelmingly, it will still be things like, jobs, the economy, energy costs, etc. That being said, hard for them to be really fast to jump onto Obama's team.
 
Richard Mourdock made the following statement after the second Indiana Senate debate Tuesday evening:

"God creates life, and that was my point. God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that he does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick," stated Richard Mourdock.
 
I am a moderate Republican who will always shoot straight. And that means that I will be the first one to call these 'far Right Wing' Republicans over the top....way over the top. I personally am pro life, but would not try to push tha on others if I was running for elected office. These guys that want all forms of abortion for all reasons outlawed make the whole party look bad. Imagine if the Daughter of one of these guys came home raped by somebody, and they had to have a bastard grandchild.

Bottom line, these guys say some idiotic things for sure, and if they lose because of it, they deserve to lose. But, no matter how hard the Dems try, abortion is NOT going to be what drives the female voters. Overwhelmingly, it will still be things like, jobs, the economy, energy costs, etc. That being said, hard for them to be really fast to jump onto Obama's team.

This is Liberals spinning what the man said out of context to distract you from the issues and sway your vote. That's ALL this is. As has been the gameplan all along, to drive a wedge between more moderate conservative 'libertarian' types and the evangelicals. If they can fracture that coalition, they know they can win. This is their latest effort to do just that.
 
I am a moderate Republican who will always shoot straight. And that means that I will be the first one to call these 'far Right Wing' Republicans over the top....way over the top. I personally am pro life, but would not try to push tha on others if I was running for elected office. These guys that want all forms of abortion for all reasons outlawed make the whole party look bad. Imagine if the Daughter of one of these guys came home raped by somebody, and they had to have a bastard grandchild.

Bottom line, these guys say some idiotic things for sure, and if they lose because of it, they deserve to lose. But, no matter how hard the Dems try, abortion is NOT going to be what drives the female voters. Overwhelmingly, it will still be things like, jobs, the economy, energy costs, etc. That being said, hard for them to be really fast to jump onto Obama's team.

How do you know what is going to drive women?

Firstly, women are not monolithic. Different things drive different women. Kinda like how it is with real people, you know, men.

Obama is going to win the woman vote. The question is by how much. It is imperative that the Republicans close the gender gap if they want to win nationally and even at this point, at the state-wide level. So the question becomes will enough women be driven by this attack on their reproductive rights to vote Democratic. The question can never be what "drives women" because as with all human beings, that answer will always differ.

Finally, and most importantly, it's offensive the way so many talk about these issues. Abortion isn't going to drive women. Well, at its heart, this isn't about abortion. Paul Ryan sponsored the personhood amendment bestowing 14th amendment rights on zygotes. This would criminalize being a woman. It's that simple. If you miscarry you can be the subject of a criminal investigation. These laws that are being passed in our states, and were passed by our right wing crazy congress, turn women into a criminal class.

This is about who owns women's bodies. Now, Romney/Ryan have said they will take ownership over our bodies, period. Read their legislation and Romney's vow that it was "wonderful" stuff that he would be "happy" to sign. It's all in black and white and not subject to debate - only to hysterical diversionary tactics.

They say they are taking ownership. I say you can take ownership when you pry it out of my cold, dead, body.

We will see how many women agree. When you guys want to come for that ownership, sure you will have some pathetic women on your side. That's a given. But there will be more women on the other side of that barricade. And make sure you bring your guns, cause this ain't no water pistol battle.
 
Here's one of the GOPs Angels, doing God's will...

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AKA serial rapist.
 
Look... MANY Christian people believe that whatever happens is part of God's plan and He has a reason. This was all Mourdock was articulating, and it has been completely taken out of context to slam Republicans and gin up and unenergized base... Does his comments make you pinhead libtards want to go vote for Obama? If so, the smear campaign has worked!

Many christians dont have the right to FORCE their religions tenents ONTO MY BODY
 
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