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I have never seen any level that these scums won't sink to, never. And it's just a real reflection on both republican, and religious "moral values" that these scums still have the "strong" support of so many republicans even in the latest polling.

I guess murder for fun now interferes with "national security". Disgusting.

"The White House said it was willing to work with Congress to achieve greater accountability for contractors but it had “grave concerns” about the new House bill, which it said would overburden the F.B.I. and the Defense Department and interfere with crucial “national security activities and operations.”

Bill Applies U.S. Laws to Contractors
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
WASHINGTON, Oct. 4 — With the armed security force Blackwater USA and other private contractors in Iraq facing tighter scrutiny, the House of Representatives on Thursday overwhelmingly approved a bill that would bring all United States government contractors in the Iraq war zone under the jurisdiction of American criminal law. The measure would require the F.B.I. to investigate any allegations of wrongdoing.

The bill was approved 389 to 30, despite strong opposition from the White House. It came as lawmakers and human rights groups are using a Sept. 16 shooting by Blackwater personnel in Baghdad to highlight the many contractors operating in Iraq who have apparently been unaccountable to American military or civilian laws and outside the reach of the Iraqi judicial system.

The State Department, which had been leading the investigation into the shooting, said Thursday that a team of F.B.I. agents sent to Baghdad in recent days had taken over the inquiry. No charges have been filed in the case, and Justice Department officials have said it is unclear whether American law applies.

Even if enacted, the House bill would have no retroactive authority over past conduct by Blackwater or other contractors.

Federal law enforcement officials said the team of about 10 F.B.I. special agents had been sent to Baghdad at the request of the State Department to oversee the Blackwater investigation. One official, who like others who discussed the investigation spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about it publicly, described their assignment as a fact-finding mission to determine whether any of the Blackwater employees had engaged in activity in violation of American laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/w...int&adxnnlx=1191592850-xblBUNgTWWO9Dp8IGQuCWg
 
I have never seen any level that these scums won't sink to, never. And it's just a real reflection on both republican, and religious "moral values" that these scums still have the "strong" support of so many republicans even in the latest polling.

I guess murder for fun now interferes with "national security". Disgusting.

"The White House said it was willing to work with Congress to achieve greater accountability for contractors but it had “grave concerns” about the new House bill, which it said would overburden the F.B.I. and the Defense Department and interfere with crucial “national security activities and operations.”

Bill Applies U.S. Laws to Contractors
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
WASHINGTON, Oct. 4 — With the armed security force Blackwater USA and other private contractors in Iraq facing tighter scrutiny, the House of Representatives on Thursday overwhelmingly approved a bill that would bring all United States government contractors in the Iraq war zone under the jurisdiction of American criminal law. The measure would require the F.B.I. to investigate any allegations of wrongdoing.

The bill was approved 389 to 30, despite strong opposition from the White House. It came as lawmakers and human rights groups are using a Sept. 16 shooting by Blackwater personnel in Baghdad to highlight the many contractors operating in Iraq who have apparently been unaccountable to American military or civilian laws and outside the reach of the Iraqi judicial system.

The State Department, which had been leading the investigation into the shooting, said Thursday that a team of F.B.I. agents sent to Baghdad in recent days had taken over the inquiry. No charges have been filed in the case, and Justice Department officials have said it is unclear whether American law applies.

Even if enacted, the House bill would have no retroactive authority over past conduct by Blackwater or other contractors.

Federal law enforcement officials said the team of about 10 F.B.I. special agents had been sent to Baghdad at the request of the State Department to oversee the Blackwater investigation. One official, who like others who discussed the investigation spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about it publicly, described their assignment as a fact-finding mission to determine whether any of the Blackwater employees had engaged in activity in violation of American laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/w...int&adxnnlx=1191592850-xblBUNgTWWO9Dp8IGQuCWg

What exactly does this have to do with Republicans and "religious moral values"?????

The bill was passed 389-30. To assign blame to all Republicans because of Bush's and a small minority's stance on the issue is ridiculous.

Or should we start judging all Dems by the actions of people like McKinney?
 
What exactly does this have to do with Republicans and "religious moral values"?????

The bill was passed 389-30. To assign blame to all Republicans because of Bush's and a small minority's stance on the issue is ridiculous.

Or should we start judging all Dems by the actions of people like McKinney?


Well, voting against the bill were folks like former Speaker of the House Denny Hastert, former Chairman of the House Inteligence Committee Pete Hoekstra, current GOP Presidential candidate Tom Tancredo, current GOP Presidential candidate Duncan Hunter and Vice Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee Michael Burgess. It's not a bunch of back-benchers that voted against it.
 
What exactly does this have to do with Republicans and "religious moral values"?????

The bill was passed 389-30. To assign blame to all Republicans because of Bush's and a small minority's stance on the issue is ridiculous.

Or should we start judging all Dems by the actions of people like McKinney?

SF it pains me when you leave yourself open like this.

How many democratic voters, or voters of any kind, have voted for McKinney?

Now, how many Republicans have voted for George w bush?
 
Well, voting against the bill were folks like former Speaker of the House Denny Hastert, former Chairman of the House Inteligence Committee Pete Hoekstra, current GOP Presidential candidate Tom Tancredo, current GOP Presidential candidate Duncan Hunter and Vice Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee Michael Burgess. It's not a bunch of back-benchers that voted against it.

Again... 389-30. The vast majority did not vote against it. It matters not who voted for it. The point is you cannot paint the majority by the actions of the minority.
 
What exactly does this have to do with Republicans and "religious moral values"?????

The bill was passed 389-30. To assign blame to all Republicans because of Bush's and a small minority's stance on the issue is ridiculous.

Or should we start judging all Dems by the actions of people like McKinney?


this is pretty funny coming from a guy who spent an entire thread bashing the ACLU for suing a contractor for flying detainees to CIA black sites to be tortured.

All of a sudden, your on the side of those who want to put accountability and limits on contractors?
 
SF it pains me when you leave yourself open like this.

How many democratic voters, or voters of any kind, have voted for McKinney?

Now, how many Republicans have voted for George w bush?

That is not the point Darla. The point is you cannot use the actions of the minority and act as though the majority share the same traits.
 
Again... 389-30. The vast majority did not vote against it. It matters not who voted for it. The point is you cannot paint the majority by the actions of the minority.

SF I specifically said that Bush stills enjoys "strong support" from many Republicans, in the latest poll. And support, from even more.

I'm sorry, but that is a reflection on the values of those people.
 
What exactly does this have to do with Republicans and "religious moral values"?????

The bill was passed 389-30. To assign blame to all Republicans because of Bush's and a small minority's stance on the issue is ridiculous.

Or should we start judging all Dems by the actions of people like McKinney?

Had the Democratic Party and the American people listened to McKinney they would have known Iraq was the fraud the world knows it to be today .. AND they would have known electronic voting is the fraud it's known to be today .. as McKinney was the FIRST to speak truth to both these issues.

Too bad.
 
SF I specifically said that Bush stills enjoys "strong support" from many Republicans, in the latest poll. And support, from even more.

I'm sorry, but that is a reflection on the values of those people.

Whatever. Your argument is poor and a poor reflection on your ability to think with an open mind. Supporting Bush and/or Republicans in general does not equate to supporting every single thing they do. But please, continue on with your ranting... I am sure it makes you feel better to do so.
 
SF it pains me when you leave yourself open like this.

How many democratic voters, or voters of any kind, have voted for McKinney?

Now, how many Republicans have voted for George w bush?

Sorry Darla, but McKinney was a 6 term US Congresswoman, the first African-American woman elected to statewide office in Georgia, and was the very first to take a bold stand on Iraq and the very first US politician to warn of the dangers of electronic voting.

Have you ever been to the halls of the US Congress? .. There are cameras everywhere, even in the bathrooms .. I know because I used to work there.

If the altercation with Capital police went as it was reported, the video would have been plastered all over Faux News the next day. They didn't prosecute her because they never had a case. It was contrived to remove one of the few democrats with courage out of office.

Trust me on this .. I know.
 
Whatever. Your argument is poor and a poor reflection on your ability to think with an open mind. Supporting Bush and/or Republicans in general does not equate to supporting every single thing they do. But please, continue on with your ranting... I am sure it makes you feel better to do so.

SF, when republicans were in control of congress, many people were literally screaming for oversight and clarification on the role of contractors in iraq and their no bid contracts.

the people you voted for - republicans - did NO oversight for at least three years.

The fact that oversight is happening NOW, and that when exposed to the light of public scrutiny many GOPers were compelled to vote publically to do the right thing, does not excuse their behavior when they were in power, and when they had a chance to do oversight.

Do you think this bill would even have been brought to the floor for a vote if Tom Delay were still in charge of the House? I think not. They would have been busy trying to protect Bush, and the entire Iraq endeavor from any critical scrutiny
 
Sorry Darla, but McKinney was a 6 term US Congresswoman, the first African-American woman elected to statewide office in Georgia, and was the very first to take a bold stand on Iraq and the very first US politician to warn of the dangers of electronic voting.

Have you ever been to the halls of the US Congress? .. There are cameras everywhere, even in the bathrooms .. I know because I used to work there.

If the altercation with Capital police went as it was reported, the video would have been plastered all over Faux News the next day. They didn't prosecute her because they never had a case. It was contrived to remove one of the few democrats with courage out of office.

Trust me on this .. I know.

Then please explain why she apologized on the floor of the House? While I agree that it was likely blown out of proportion, it seems unlikely that she would bring it up on the floor of the House had nothing occured.

To answer your original question, yes, I have been in the halls of Congress.
 
Well, voting against the bill were folks like former Speaker of the House Denny Hastert, former Chairman of the House Inteligence Committee Pete Hoekstra, current GOP Presidential candidate Tom Tancredo, current GOP Presidential candidate Duncan Hunter and Vice Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee Michael Burgess. It's not a bunch of back-benchers that voted against it.

Just politics regardless of their personal feelings. It would be political suicide (personal or party) to vote against this bill.

I wonder how RP will vote on this in the Senate. Will be interesting....
 
Then please explain why she apologized on the floor of the House? While I agree that it was likely blown out of proportion, it seems unlikely that she would bring it up on the floor of the House had nothing occured.

She apologized because she recognized that she had handled it wrong.

"I am sorry that this misunderstanding happened at all, and I regret its escalation and I apologize."

She should have taken my advice

To answer your original question, yes, I have been in the halls of Congress.

Then you should be aware of the cameras and a lot of the other security measures and changes after 9/11.
 
Then please explain why she apologized on the floor of the House? While I agree that it was likely blown out of proportion, it seems unlikely that she would bring it up on the floor of the House had nothing occured.

To answer your original question, yes, I have been in the halls of Congress.

?? Were you one of those pageboys the Dem congressmen abused ?
j/k :)
 
She apologized because she recognized that she had handled it wrong.

"I am sorry that this misunderstanding happened at all, and I regret its escalation and I apologize."

She should have taken my advice



Then you should be aware of the cameras and a lot of the other security measures and changes after 9/11.

Yes, I am aware of the cameras, but they are not going to catch everything. Had she taken a full swing, then yes, it is likely that it would have been caught on tape. My guess is that it was minor contact... which is why she stated physical contact should not have occured. (probably referring to both parties).

I think in the heat of the moment, both parties were pissed. After they had time to settle down, she apologized and they did not proceed with charges.
 
Yes, I am aware of the cameras, but they are not going to catch everything. Had she taken a full swing, then yes, it is likely that it would have been caught on tape. My guess is that it was minor contact... which is why she stated physical contact should not have occured. (probably referring to both parties).

I think in the heat of the moment, both parties were pissed. After they had time to settle down, she apologized and they did not proceed with charges.

McKinney is well-known to Capital Police and well-respected by many. I've watched her laugh and joke with Capital Police many times and she is far from the only one who doesn't wear her Congressional pin.

The cameras would have caught this altercation even if not down to specific detail, it would have been plastered all over the news.

Your assessment is correct in that it was a minor thing blown out of proportion, but blown out of proportion on purpose, if not started on purpose.
 
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