NAACP GOP Presidential Forum

[kaiser]

This whole thread is nothing more than pulling the old and worn race card...nothing more! And you are correct there is a movement of minority conservatives on the march...they go on self improvement rather than beating the race card drums!

The race card was an effective tool because it was a valid accusation against white rule in america...the key word being "was" Institutional racism is dead. Thankfully so. Institutional racism is not something a white american can relate to, and fortunately never will. This is not to say that white americans have not experienced racist attitudes from ethnic groups. Bigotry against whites exists in many non white neighborhoods. Many black parents are no more inclined to mixed marriages than white families. Is this not bigotry?

What the NAACP wishes to postulate is that somehow institutional racism is still alive and well, I submit it is not. They also deserve to have their tax exempt status revoked. Due to fear of being accused of racism and that it would be called a racist move it will never happen, that's wrong.

 

[Battleborne]

True....

The race card was an effective tool because it was a valid accusation against white rule in america...the key word being "was" Institutional racism is dead. Thankfully so. Institutional racism is not something a white american can relate to, and fortunately never will. This is not to say that white americans have not experienced racist attitudes from ethnic groups. Bigotry against whites exists in many non white neighborhoods. Many black parents are no more inclined to mixed marriages than white families. Is this not bigotry?

What the NAACP wishes to postulate is that somehow institutional racism is still alive and well, I submit it is not. They also deserve to have their tax exempt status revoked. Due to fear of being accused of racism and that it would be called a racist move it will never happen, that's wrong.

However I do believe that the GOP(and I am not a member-I am a regsitered Conservative 'American Independent') has advanced the minority cause alot farther than the DNC...Just look at the GOP appointments to high level cabinet positions as well as numerous high level positions within government management positions...end of story and away with all this race card BS...imho!

 

[blackascoal]

The NAACP maintains tax exempt status because they claim to be bi-partisan. Their public attacks against the GOP proves otherwise. Campaigns are expensive. Avoiding a sharply partisan venue seems smart. The black conservative movemnet in america continues to grow. This said, the democrats have maintianed the majority of the black vote so that the republicans have lost nothing by not attending.

Black conservative "movement" continues to grow?

You mean like from 8% to 9%?

Get real. It's never going to happen, nor in my opinion, should it ever happen.

It isn't the democrats who've maintained democratic majorities of black voters, its' the republicans who have.

 

[LadyT]

There is racsim/predjudice on both sides and not limited to color only...you made that clear with your diatribe on mentally challenged folks....

yeah. ok.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Black conservative "movement" continues to grow?

You mean like from 8% to 9%?

Get real. It's never going to happen, nor in my opinion, should it ever happen.

It isn't the democrats who've maintained democratic majorities of black voters, its' the republicans who have.

The black vote is THE most Democratic vote in the nation. I don't see the black conservative movement growing very much. If it does ever get very big, it will only be because the old conservative movements had been left in the dust. Then again, a lot of black's in my area are socially conservative/moderate, though not in the way that the whites are socially conservative/moderate (if that makes any sense).

 

[Cancel5]

http://jeffrey-feldman.typepad.com/frameshop/2007/07/frameshop-a-p-1.html

Take a look at the two pictures at the above link.

Fine examples of one picture being worth one thousand words.

It truly does say a thousand things, all of them evident to anyone who pays attention.

 

[blackascoal]

The race card was an effective tool because it was a valid accusation against white rule in america...the key word being "was" Institutional racism is dead. Thankfully so. Institutional racism is not something a white american can relate to, and fortunately never will. This is not to say that white americans have not experienced racist attitudes from ethnic groups. Bigotry against whites exists in many non white neighborhoods. Many black parents are no more inclined to mixed marriages than white families. Is this not bigotry?

What the NAACP wishes to postulate is that somehow institutional racism is still alive and well, I submit it is not. They also deserve to have their tax exempt status revoked. Due to fear of being accused of racism and that it would be called a racist move it will never happen, that's wrong.

"Race card" was not invented by the NAACP or anyother group, organization, or person of color. Race card is a lingustic invention designed to keep from discussing the issues of race, not designed to talk about race. It is used by those who usually have no logic in defending racist positions so they claim one is using the "race card" in an effort to change the subject.

Institutionalized racism still exists in America although those who stand and fight against it continue to knock those doors down. It's exists in business, educational systems, THE MEDIA, health care institutions, the Justice System, and a host of other American institutions and not just for African-Americans.

What has been learned through this struggle is not to waste time trying to convince those who don't see it to think otherwise. Time and energy is much better spent working with and though people of conscience.

If you don't think it exists .. then for you, it doesn't exist. But the discussion and work will continue none the less.

 

[Cancel7]

"Race card" was not invented by the NAACP or anyother group, organization, or person of color. Race card is a lingustic invention designed to keep from discussing the issues of race, not designed to talk about race. It is used by those who usually have no logic in defending racist positions so they claim one is using the "race card" in an effort to change the subject.

Institutionalized racism still exists in America although those who stand and fight against it continue to knock those doors down. It's exists in business, educational systems, THE MEDIA, health care institutions, the Justice System, and a host of other American institutions and not just for African-Americans.

What has been learned through this struggle is not to waste time trying to convince those who don't see it to think otherwise. Time and energy is much better spent working with and though people of conscience.

If you don't think it exists .. then for you, it doesn't exist. But the discussion and work will continue none the less.

Beautifully stated.

 

[Battleborne]

NAACP

 

[blackascoal]

The black vote is THE most Democratic vote in the nation. I don't see the black conservative movement growing very much. If it does ever get very big, it will only be because the old conservative movements had been left in the dust. Then again, a lot of black's in my area are socially conservative/moderate, though not in the way that the whites are socially conservative/moderate (if that makes any sense).

It does make sense .. but our differences are usually found in one word .. perspective.

"Perspective" is a big word in America and most people don't understand it. We all have different and unique experiences which colors our perspectives on life, politics, and race.

Considering your bad experience, can you imagine what it would be like if every black person thought every bad thing done to them or their parents by a white person was reflective of all white people? Keep in mind 400 years of oppression and 41 years of relative freedom. That's a lot of bad shit happening to a lot of people.

I grew up in the sixties and I can tell you lots of ugly experiences I've had with racism .. but I won't because I don't want to turn this thread into one about bad experiences. However, in spite of my bad experiences, I had many more good experiences and I've been taught many essential life lessons by people who are not black like me. My head is full of their visions and memories. For me, diversity reflects the beauty and richness of life. The beauty of different perspectives and life experiences. Without it, it's like growing up in a box. It's why I call people "brother" and "sister". Not because it's a slang thing to do, but because it's science. It's a spiritual acknowledgement of the science that determines we are the same people. I am not a racist my brother.

I come here to listen. I've listened to you tell of your bad experience, now I regret angry words to you. I listened to others, not black like me, express their disdain for racist attitudes. That tells me that diversity is working and there are a lot of good people here. I offer my perspectives as my contribution to the understanding of different ideas.

It may seem strange but the Michael Richards incident was uplifting for me. When he went on his racist tirade in a comedy club .. it was white people who shouted him down and it was white people who got up and walked out. Richards may be racist, but white people aren't.

As Cypress has eloquently said, we cannot judge groups of people by individual acts of ignorance.

 

[doniston]

"Race card" was not invented by the NAACP or anyother group, organization, or person of color. Race card is a lingustic invention designed to keep from discussing the issues of race, not designed to talk about race. It is used by those who usually have no logic in defending racist positions so they claim one is using the "race card" in an effort to change the subject.

Institutionalized racism still exists in America although those who stand and fight against it continue to knock those doors down. It's exists in business, educational systems, THE MEDIA, health care institutions, the Justice System, and a host of other American institutions and not just for African-Americans.

What has been learned through this struggle is not to waste time trying to convince those who don't see it to think otherwise. Time and energy is much better spent working with and though people of conscience.

If you don't think it exists .. then for you, it doesn't exist. But the discussion and work will continue none the less.

Im sorry but I think I am going to distress somrone here I am about as non-racial as anyone can get, and thus my thought on this go along with my general thoughts. The bycotting of that frorum was not a racial thing but an anti-racial thing,

How dare a group that purportedlly is against racial strife and sterioforming, decide to hold a forum consisting only of those people who might support a particular cause Who do they think they are? Republicans? or Democrats ???
Frankly speaking, the best way to confront race is the ERASE to word race from our vocabulary. treat people as they are rather than as your own
particularly biased eye sees them

 

[kaiser]

"Race card" was not invented by the NAACP or anyother group, organization, or person of color. Race card is a lingustic invention designed to keep from discussing the issues of race, not designed to talk about race. It is used by those who usually have no logic in defending racist positions so they claim one is using the "race card" in an effort to change the subject.

Institutionalized racism still exists in America although those who stand and fight against it continue to knock those doors down. It's exists in business, educational systems, THE MEDIA, health care institutions, the Justice System, and a host of other American institutions and not just for African-Americans.

What has been learned through this struggle is not to waste time trying to convince those who don't see it to think otherwise. Time and energy is much better spent working with and though people of conscience.

If you don't think it exists .. then for you, it doesn't exist. But the discussion and work will continue none the less.

an example of recent institutional racism?

 

[blackascoal]

Im sorry but I think I am going to distress somrone here I am about as non-racial as anyone can get, and thus my thought on this go along with my general thoughts. The bycotting of that frorum was not a racial thing but an anti-racial thing,

How dare a group that purportedlly is against racial strife and sterioforming, decide to hold a forum consisting only of those people who might support a particular cause Who do they think they are? Republicans? or Democrats ???
Frankly speaking, the best way to confront race is the ERASE to word race from our vocabulary. treat people as they are rather than as your own
particularly biased eye sees them

No distress. It's your opinion, which I respect.

But a "color-blind" society is an illusion. You can't pretend you don't see the color and characteristics of other people.

What is achieveable is respect for the race and culture of other people. What is achieveable is a more sane multi-racial, multi-cultural society.

Each of us should be free to experience who and what we are without oppressing and hating other people .. and experience and learn from the diversity of other people and cultures. Diversity is an asset.

 

[blackascoal]

an example of recent institutional racism?

The Criminal Justice System is one of many.

72% of all drug users in America are white.

13% of all drugs users in America are black.

10% of all drug users in America are hispanic.

Yet, although five times as many whites use illegal drugs as blacks, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations and over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 58% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 20.7%.

The United States incarcerates African-American men at a rate that is approximately four times the rate of incarceration of Black men in South Africa.

Once arrested, the criminal justice system treats blacks far more harshly than whites for the exact same offense, and the disparities between prison sentencing and probation are huge. Among those arrested with at least 1.5 grams of cocaine, 94% of minorities were charged with drug dealing, while only 26% of whites were.

A study called, "Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs," looked at incarceration rates in 37 states, UPI reported June 7. The states with the highest racial disparities were Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Maine, Iowa, Maryland, Ohio, New Jersey, North Carolina and West Virginia. In these states, blacks were sent to prison on drug charges 27 to 57 times more often than white men.

For a significant number of drug offenders it was their first arrest. Less than one percent of those jailed and prosecuted by the feds fit the profile of drug lords.

Sources such as the Center for Drug Policy, DEA, Departments of Justice and Health and Human Sevices, the Sentencing Project, the Innocence Project, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and a variety of national, state, and local studies all confirm the same conclusions.

These disparities are by design, amount ot obvious institutionalized racism, and are not exclusive to just drug laws.

 

[Cancel7]

The Criminal Justice System is one of many.

72% of all drug users in America are white.

13% of all drugs users in America are black.

10% of all drug users in America are hispanic.

Yet, although five times as many whites use illegal drugs as blacks, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations and over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 58% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 20.7%.

The United States incarcerates African-American men at a rate that is approximately four times the rate of incarceration of Black men in South Africa.

Once arrested, the criminal justice system treats blacks far more harshly than whites for the exact same offense, and the disparities between prison sentencing and probation are huge. Among those arrested with at least 1.5 grams of cocaine, 94% of minorities were charged with drug dealing, while only 26% of whites were.

A study called, "Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs," looked at incarceration rates in 37 states, UPI reported June 7. The states with the highest racial disparities were Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Maine, Iowa, Maryland, Ohio, New Jersey, North Carolina and West Virginia. In these states, blacks were sent to prison on drug charges 27 to 57 times more often than white men.

For a significant number of drug offenders it was their first arrest. Less than one percent of those jailed and prosecuted by the feds fit the profile of drug lords.

Sources such as the Center for Drug Policy, DEA, Departments of Justice and Health and Human Sevices, the Sentencing Project, the Innocence Project, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and a variety of national, state, and local studies all confirm the same conclusions.

These disparities are by design, amount ot obvious institutionalized racism, and are not exclusive to just drug laws.

I knew this to some extent, but I did not know the numbers were that outrageously stacked. Jesus.

 

[blackascoal]

I knew this to some extent, but I did not know the numbers were that outrageously stacked. Jesus.

Nor do most people. This is not something the MSM chooses to report.

It has devastated entire communities and families. I encourage you to research it and add your voice in calling for fairness in sentencing.

 

[Cancel7]

Nor do most people. This is not something the MSM chooses to report.

It has devastated entire communities and families. I encourage you to research it and add your voice in calling for fairness in sentencing.

I will, and thanks for providing the information. Some day, when this ugly war is over, I am going to move onto other things. It's not like I will just stop being an activist, because once you are, you can never just go back to sitting around and doing nothing. It just never feels right again. Also, my own local group does get involved in issues other than war, even though technically, the war is our one issue.

 

[Damocles]

No distress. It's your opinion, which I respect.

But a "color-blind" society is an illusion. You can't pretend you don't see the color and characteristics of other people.

What is achieveable is respect for the race and culture of other people. What is achieveable is a more sane multi-racial, multi-cultural society.

Each of us should be free to experience who and what we are without oppressing and hating other people .. and experience and learn from the diversity of other people and cultures. Diversity is an asset.

I am seriously glad that it isn't homogenous. I love the different foods...

 

[doniston]

No distress. It's your opinion, which I respect.

But a "color-blind" society is an illusion. You can't pretend you don't see the color and characteristics of other people.

)f course not. I am taller than most, so I stand out in a crowd (besides I'm purtier than most---- HEH HEH, that should account for something)

What is achieveable is respect for the race and culture of other people. What is achieveable is a more sane multi-racial, multi-cultural society.

Each of us should be free to experience who and what we are without oppressing and hating other people .. and experience and learn from the diversity of other people and cultures. Diversity is an asset.

I sorta agree with the rest, but with reservations. Acnowleging differences is one thing, flaunting them is quite another.

 

[blackascoal]

I will, and thanks for providing the information. Some day, when this ugly war is over, I am going to move onto other things. It's not like I will just stop being an activist, because once you are, you can never just go back to sitting around and doing nothing. It just never feels right again. Also, my own local group does get involved in issues other than war, even though technically, the war is our one issue.

Activism seperates citizens from subjects. It is both your right and duty to be politically and socially active.

There are many wars that must be fought and won in our society, but that can only come from an aware populace unconditioned and uncontrolled by a plutocracy that would rather have American subjects than citizens.

The illusion that race, sexism, poverty, healthcare, education, and the state of American children are no longer issues that need better solutions in America belies the truth, as evidenced by facts, statistics, and a plethora of studies.

The internet has connected Americans in ways like never before and activism through the internet provides the opportunity to address and research critical issues that are more important to our future than who Anna Nicole's baby daddy is or the latest insanity from Paris Hilton and her ilk.