PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
the bald women in his army were sweet though.........
Nationalism and Nazi ideology
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the bald women in his army were sweet though.........
You're wrong and it doesn't matter, but it is a liability to have such an uneducated president.
Lightbringer
Loves Me Some Souls
This is what you people tell yourselves to feel better but the fact is you and fascism are two sides of the same coin. Public ownership or control, it's still tyranny.
I am not an advocate for public ownership. What are you talking about?
Trump claims he a nationalist... acting out like some imitation Howard Stern shock jock... and counting on the ignorance of his base to cheer and clap.
Lightbringer
Loves Me Some Souls
I'm talking about the bullshit you're spewing in this thread. Decide what your point is and then make it. If you could work Trump in that would be great, thanks.
Trump screwed US farmers when he pulled out of TPP.. He didn't know what it was about, but he did know that Obama worked on it... so Trump was automatically against it.. Damned shame.
Litmus
Verified User
Tpp was shit. Pulling out helps more than it hurts.
Litmus
Verified User
You don't know what it was about either.....
I think you mean "neither", ya rube.
Hitler was all about taking all the hinterlands while they were statistically inhabited by rural simple folks.
Hitler was all about Bonapartism.
The term was used more generally for a political movement that advocated a dictatorship or
authoritarian centralized state, with a strongman charismatic leader based on anti-elitist rhetoric,
army support, and conservatism.
Marxism and Leninism developed a vocabulary of political terms that included Bonapartism.
Philosophically, Bonapartism was Napoleon's adaptation of principles of the French Revolution
to suit his imperial form of rule. Desires for public order, French national glory, and emulation
of the Roman Empire had combined to create a Caesarist coup d'etat for General Bonaparte
on 18 Brumaire. Though he espoused adherence to revolutionary precedents, he "styled his
direct and personal rule on the Old Regime monarchs."[1] For Bonapartists, the most significant
lesson of the Revolution was that unity of government and the governed was paramount.
Karl Marx offered this definition of and analysis of Bonapartism in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte,
written in 1852. In this document, he drew attention to what he calls the phenomenon's repetitive history
with one of his most quoted lines, typically condensed aphoristically as: "History repeats itself,
first as tragedy, then as farce."[9]
Marx believed that a Bonapartist regime could exert great power, because there was no class
with enough confidence or power to firmly establish its authority in its own name. A leader who
appeared to stand above the class struggle could take the mantle of power. He believed that this
was an inherently unstable situation, as the apparently all-powerful leader would be swept aside
when the class struggle in society was resolved.
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Hitler was all about the Napoleonist Syndrome
The Napoleonist Syndrome is a psychological complex, or character disorder, underlying the attachment shown by members of a combatant country to the enemy leader, Napoleon.
It may be extended to cover parallel switches of allegiance in more modern times.
The common factor in that syndrome is taken to be an ambivalent relationship to the parent or parent of origins, leading to a rejection of national authority, and its projection abroad.[4] The argument is particularly convincing in the case of a group of Radicals including Leigh Hunt and William Godwin, as well as Hazlitt - all the sons of dissenting ministers, whose religious beliefs they had rejected but whose influence on them remained substantial nevertheless.[5] Their common revolt against their fathers led to a counter-identification with the heroic figure presented by Napoleon[6] - his Promethean challenge to the existing order[7] seeming to offer a stark contrast to the narrow authoritarianism represented both by their own fathers, and by the British royal family.
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Definition of Promethean:
relating to or characteristic of the demigod Prometheus, especially in being rebelliously creative and innovative.
"the Promethean scientist who unlocked the mysteries of the cosmos"
Willing to take risks in order to create new things or do things in new ways, like Prometheus, the ancient Greek demigod (= part human and part god) who stole fire from Mount Olympus: His life was that of a Promethean rebel.
May be another Chicago Democrat will arise from the streets and put us right.
Never forget the 1968 Democratic National Convention
In 1968, the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam and the Youth International Party (Yippies)
had already begun planning a youth festival in Chicago to coincide with the Democratic National Convention.
They were not alone, as other groups such as Students for a Democratic Society would also make their
presence known.[20] When asked about anti-war demonstrators, Daley repeated to reporters that "no thousands
will come to our city and take over our streets, our city, our convention."[21] 10,000 demonstrators gathered in
Chicago for the convention, where they were met by 23,000 police and National Guardsmen.[12] Daley also
thought that one way to prevent demonstrators from coming to Chicago was to refuse to grant permits
which would allow for people to protest legally.[22]
After the violence at the Chicago convention, Daley said his primary reason for calling in so many Guardsmen and
police was reports he received indicating the existence of plots to assassinate many of the leaders, including himself.[23]
While several protests had taken place before serious violence occurred, the events headed by the Yippies were
not without satire. Surrounded by reporters on August 23, 1968, Yippie leader Jerry Rubin, folk singer Phil Ochs,
and other activists held their own presidential nominating convention with their candidate Pigasus, an actual pig.
When the Yippies paraded Pigasus at the Civic Center, ten policemen arrested Ochs, Rubin, Pigasus, and six others.
This resulted in a great deal of media attention for Pigasus.
On August 28, 1968, around 10,000 protesters gathered in Grant Park for the demonstration. At approximately 3:30 p.m.,
a young man lowered the American flag that was there.[11] The police broke through the crowd and began beating the
young man, while the crowd pelted the police with food, rocks, and chunks of concrete.[25] The chants of some of the
protesters shifted from "hell no, we won't go" to "pigs are whores".[26]
Tom Hayden, one of the leaders of Students for a Democratic Society, encouraged protesters to move out of the park
to ensure that if the police used tear gas on them, it would have to be done throughout the city.[27] The amount of
tear gas used to suppress the protesters was so great that it made its way to the Conrad Hilton hotel, where it disturbed
Hubert Humphrey while in his shower.[26] The police sprayed demonstrators and bystanders with mace and were taunted
by some protesters with chants of "kill, kill, kill".[28] The police assault in front of the Conrad Hilton hotel the evening
of August 28 became the most famous image of the Chicago demonstrations of 1968. The entire event took place live
under television lights for seventeen minutes with the crowd chanting, "The whole world is watching".[26]
In its report Rights in Conflict (better known as the Walker Report), the Chicago Study Team that investigated the
violent clashes between police and protesters at the convention stated that the police response was characterized by:
unrestrained and indiscriminate police violence on many occasions, particularly at night. That violence was made all the
more shocking by the fact that it was often inflicted upon persons who had broken no law, disobeyed no order, made
no threat. These included peaceful demonstrators, onlookers, and large numbers of residents who were simply passing
through, or happened to live in, the areas where confrontations were occurring.[29][30]
The Walker Report, "headed by an independent observer from Los Angeles police – concluded that: “Individual policemen,
and lots of them, committed violent acts far in excess of the requisite force for crowd dispersal or arrest. To read
dispassionately the hundreds of statements describing at firsthand the events of Sunday and Monday nights is to
become convinced of the presence of what can only be called a police riot.”"
Connecticut Senator Abraham Ribicoff used his nominating speech for George McGovern to report the violence going
on outside the convention hall and said that "With George McGovern as President of the United States, we wouldn't
have to have Gestapo tactics in the streets of Chicago!"[34] Mayor Daley responded to his remark with something
unintelligible through the television sound, although lip-readers throughout America claimed to have observed him
shouting, "Fuck you, you Jew son of a bitch." Defenders of the mayor would later claim that he was calling Ribicoff
a faker,[32][33] a charge denied by Daley and refuted by Mike Royko's reporting.[35] Ribicoff replied: "How hard it
is to accept the truth!" That night, NBC News had been switching back and forth between images of the violence
to the festivities over Humphrey's victory in the convention hall, highlighting the division in the Democratic Party.[36]
According to The Guardian, "[a]fter four days and nights of violence, 668 people had been arrested, 425 demonstrators
were treated at temporary medical facilities, 200 were treated on the spot, 400 given first aid for tear gas exposure
and 110 went to hospital. A total of 192 police officers were injured."[37]
After the Chicago protests, some demonstrators believed the majority of Americans would side with them over what
had happened in Chicago, especially because of police behavior.[37] The controversy over the war in Vietnam
overshadowed their cause.[16] Daley shared he had received 135,000 letters supporting his actions and only 5,000
condemning them. Public opinion polls demonstrated that the majority of Americans supported the Mayor's tactics.[38]
It was often commented through the popular media that on that evening, America decided to vote for Richard Nixon.
After Chicago, the Justice Department meted out charges of conspiracy and incitement to riot in connection with the
violence at Chicago. This created the Chicago Eight, consisting of protesters Abbie Hoffman, Tom Hayden, David Dellinger,
Rennie Davis, John Froines, Jerry Rubin, Lee Weiner, and Bobby Seale.[40] Demonstrations were held daily during the trial,
organized by the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, the Young Lords led by Jose Cha Cha Jimenez,
and the local Black Panther Party led by Chairman Fred Hampton. In February 1970, five of the remaining seven
Chicago Conspiracy defendants (Seale's charges had been separated from the rest) were convicted on the charge of
intent to incite a riot while crossing state lines, but none were found guilty of conspiracy.
Judge Julius Hoffman sentenced the defendants and their attorneys to jail terms ranging from two-and-a-half months
to four years for contempt of court.[41] In 1972, the convictions were reversed on appeal, and the government declined
to bring the case to trial again.
Simply put Napoleon was also a Nationalist.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
simply put, Buddhist monks are nationalists.......Desmund Tutu was a nationalist.......simply put, kudzu is simply kaput....
countryboy
Verified User
Was Theodore Roosevelt confused when he made his "New Nationalism" speech? https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...ident-teddy-roosevelts-new-nationalism-speech
Think Progress seems to be confused as well. https://thinkprogress.org/5-quotes-...at-it-means-to-be-a-progressive-a23ad0318987/
Lol, no it's not, it's about trying to paint American conservatives as Nazis.
Desmond Tutu was a nationalist.. but the US isn't. Never has been.