blackascoal
The Force is With Me
You are indeed well-informed.
New Seal Book: Bin Laden Unarmed .. and Already Dead
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You are indeed well-informed.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
He did not leave the plantation, we abandoned Bin Laden and other Afghan fighters after they kicked the Soviets out. We left the power vacuum that was filled by the Taliban.
LOL... ok.
despite all evidence to the contrary... yeah... sorry, but this conspiracy theory of yours does not hold up under scrutiny.
Link..
yeah, the real question is who got to you?
Why do you let them play you like this?
Who said Bin Laden did it?
Not Bush or Cheney, not the FBI.
Take the red pill good brother.
wiseones2cents
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HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....Comment on the first Video. It may or may not have been a fabrication though Obama swore up and down he was not involved in 9/11.
http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html
Comment on second video. First it speaks of Saddam and then Osama.... When the Taliban asked for proof of Osama Bin Laden's involvement in 9/11? And if provided they would hand Osama Bin Laden over? Bush responded, that if they were to hand over the proof the war would be impossible to win? What exactly does that mean???? Osama Bin Laden wanted to debate GWB in a public forum and the Bush administration declined. This is why I think there may have been something going on behind the scenes. Maybe it was a fight between elites. And Osama got exiled from Saudi Arabia in the process.
Comment on third video: You sure you can trust that source? Kaddafi was like a Saddam Hussein.
http://painfultruths.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/10/gaddafis-pimps-still-peddling-his-lies.html
The truth is that the reason we are seeing an Arab Spring is directly due to the Capitalization(and globalization) of the Middle east. Many University students are struggling to find work. Poverty is increasing because of the wealth gap it is creating.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
It was definately a fake. Had it been real he would have been charged with the crime. It wasn't.
So who created the fake videos and pictures?
CIA Admitted Making Fake OBL Vid
http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/05/07/cia-admitted-making-fake-obl-vid/
What was going on was subterfuge.
That video isn't the only source. Quadafi was out to unite all of Africa .. and his people supported him. No question about that.
Quaddafi was not Saddam.
No argument there.
So he was already dead, yet he was still struggling so they shot him in the chest? He was unarmed, yet he had just shot himself?
I dont know, looks to me like someone is trying to sell books.
I dont really care much anyway, he is dead and it was a result of the Navy Seals, good intelegence work, and a tough call by the President.
I dont know, looks to me like someone is trying to sell books.
I dont really care much anyway, he is dead and it was a result of the Navy Seals, good intelegence work, and a tough call by the President.
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I don't know if Israel is poised to launch an attack or not but consider this, their F-16s will probably fly over Saudi Arabia.
Disillusioned
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Guideposts that are all over 3 times the number of people killed on 9/11 in the case of Afghanistan and 10 times that number in the case of Iraq. How easily can you brush that off?
Disillusioned
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Another example of the failure of the news media. I hadn't even heard that the SCO existed. Why is this not a huge talking point? WE might be headed back into another cold war and we're still dicking around with Iran. Terror doesn't even begin to cover it.
wiseones2cents
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It was definately a fake. Had it been real he would have been charged with the crime. It wasn't.
So who created the fake videos and pictures?
CIA Admitted Making Fake OBL Vid
http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/05/07/cia-admitted-making-fake-obl-vid/
Hmmmm Interesting......Though wouldn't Osama come out and acknowledge the fakes?
Especially in the case for war against Iraq. The people were deceived. Many US soldiers died for Elite interests(Profit).
lol. Gaddafi like Saddam operated like a Mob boss. Sure he wanted to unite Africa under his grip. The people that didn't support him were jailed, tortured, assassinated, so sure the people would seem to support a dictator. 20% of the population were hired to be spies for him.
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Why would he acknowledge fakes? They're giving him more credit and the more people out there who think he looks like somebody else, the less chance he might end up dead. It's a win win for him. Right up until he ended up dead at least.
wiseones2cents
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That's all for show/theater. To put fear into the people so they can continue spending trillions of dollars in arms. The Chinese elites and western elites are in bed with each other. That much is obvious. Though the evolution of their agenda is coming to full fruitation and many people are catching on to their plan thanks to the Internet. The wealth gap is widening and there are more people becoming poorer then there are people becoming richer, and the grip of the elites is tightening. Slavery is just around the corner.
wiseones2cents
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Sorry. I don't buy that. The only logical reason would have been that they made him into a scapegoat and he accepted it because he was riding the wave of popularity in the Middle east. He became like a Muslim Messiah.
Still. The fact that the body was not seen by anyone raises some questions. He could still be alive somewhere.
I also believe that the guy that stood trial may have very well been a Saddam double. He always referred to Saddam as a third person. Also he was found in a hole next to the Palace. A great place to put a double. Saddam was known for having doubles because of the assassination attempts on his life by western agents.
Sorry but if I were Saddam with an Army behind me? I'd go down fighting FOR SURE! Plus Saddam was put in power by the CIA who financed and gave him intelligence for the coup. Saddam has lots of dirt on the USA and I doubt they would want a man like that to stand trial.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Why would he expose himself when he knew it wouldn't make any difference? He'd already said that he was not involved.
The tapes are fake .. there is no question about that.
The Iraq war a war for profit .. and as Bush said, that mission was accomplished.
Then obviously you don't know that the west was sending Gaddafi suspected terrorists to jail and torture.
Obviously you don't know that eastern Libya was the worlds hotbed of terrorism .. and it is many of those who Gaddafi jailed.
Obviously you don't know that Libyan women HAD the greatest freedom and participation in government throughout the Muslim world .. and the UN was about to give him an award for that.
I'm surprised that you're so well-informed about so much else, yet you repeat the made-up narrative about Libya ..much of which I have already demonstrated to be false.
The most important indication of Gaddafi and the Libyan people was the massive protest for him. What the MSM has to say about Libya is mostly made up propaganda. Africans beleved in him as well.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
MSM rarely tells the truth. The Fourth Estate is as owned as our politicians.
SCO June summit: growing in numbers
The SCO summit in June 6-7 in Beijing looks promising for its members as well as countries planning on closer cooperation with the organisation. Granting Afghanistan an observer status and making Turkey a partner state of the SCO are key issues on the agenda.
http://indrus.in/articles/2012/05/14/sco_june_summit_growing_in_numbers_15746.html
Growing Eurasian Axis: Ukraine wants to join Shanghai Cooperation Organization
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20120829&articleId=32553
SCO economies keep growing despite global woes
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-11/08/c_122247831.htm
The number of SCO's partners growing
The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) advocates long-lasting peace and prosperity in the region. A declaration on this point was signed by the leaders of Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan at the SCO summit which took place in Beijing this week. The members of the organization adopted a package of documents determining the strategy of SCO’s development and its orientation at expanding partnership.
One of the main results of the summit is the expansion of the number of SCO’s observers. Afghanistan has joined Mongolia, India, Pakistan and Iran in this status. “We always advocated closer cooperation of the Shanghai Six with Afghanistan,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said.
“We expect that the observer status will encourage our Afghan friends to make an even greater contribution to the development of regional cooperation. The SCO is an open organization advocating the extension of links with multilateral structures and governments. We welcome everyone who strives for cooperation with the SCO.”
Turkey has become SCO’s dialogue partner. Earlier, this status was granted to Belarus and Sri Lanka. The growing number of SCO’s partners has a geopolitical significance, political scientist Stanislav Tarasov believes.
“The focus of the multi-polar world is shifting to the east. The SCO’s expansion is one of the signs of this.”
At the same time, Iran, which is an SCO observer, would like to become a full member but this has not happened yet. There are objective reasons for this, Muratbek Imanaliyev, who was the SCO Secretary General before the latest summit, said in his interview with The Voice of Russia.
“There is a condition in the SCO’s statutory documents that only countries that are not subject to UN sanctions can join the organisation. The UN has imposed sanctions against Iran, but this does not mean that Iran’s application is off the SCO’s agenda for ever.”
SCO leaders expressed grave concern about the situation in Iran. They emphasized that attempts to use force so as to solve the Iranian problem could have unpredictable results. The SCO member-states also severely criticised the situation in Syria. The summit declaration reads that the SCO is against a foreign military operation and forced surrender of power in Syria
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_06_09/77642301/
wiseones2cents
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It wouldn't make a difference if people discovered that the US government was making up stuff to deceive the Public????
Obviously and so was the war in Afghanistan. The Pharmaceutical market has been flourishing......Not to mention Afghanistan is rich with natural gas.
Of course! Gaddafi is one of the west's henchmen. Once I was watching a heated debate between Gaddafi and the Saudi Royals and Gaddafi called the royals western puppets. The royals responded, so are you!
1) you are mistaken. He jailed dissidents.
2) Yes of course. Most of his loyal bodyguards were women.lol
3) Everything I have heard about Gaddafi is he is a slime.
Gaddafi employed many people in Africa with his oil wealth. He wanted the title African King of Kings. He was basically the godfather of Africa. He would punish all dissidents so of course they would be in the streets pretending to support him.lol Those same people cheered when he was dead!
wiseones2cents
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MSM rarely tells the truth. The Fourth Estate is as owned as our politicians.
SCO June summit: growing in numbers
The SCO summit in June 6-7 in Beijing looks promising for its members as well as countries planning on closer cooperation with the organisation. Granting Afghanistan an observer status and making Turkey a partner state of the SCO are key issues on the agenda.
http://indrus.in/articles/2012/05/14/sco_june_summit_growing_in_numbers_15746.html
Growing Eurasian Axis: Ukraine wants to join Shanghai Cooperation Organization
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20120829&articleId=32553
SCO economies keep growing despite global woes
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-11/08/c_122247831.htm
The number of SCO's partners growing
The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) advocates long-lasting peace and prosperity in the region. A declaration on this point was signed by the leaders of Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan at the SCO summit which took place in Beijing this week. The members of the organization adopted a package of documents determining the strategy of SCO’s development and its orientation at expanding partnership.
One of the main results of the summit is the expansion of the number of SCO’s observers. Afghanistan has joined Mongolia, India, Pakistan and Iran in this status. “We always advocated closer cooperation of the Shanghai Six with Afghanistan,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said.
“We expect that the observer status will encourage our Afghan friends to make an even greater contribution to the development of regional cooperation. The SCO is an open organization advocating the extension of links with multilateral structures and governments. We welcome everyone who strives for cooperation with the SCO.”
Turkey has become SCO’s dialogue partner. Earlier, this status was granted to Belarus and Sri Lanka. The growing number of SCO’s partners has a geopolitical significance, political scientist Stanislav Tarasov believes.
“The focus of the multi-polar world is shifting to the east. The SCO’s expansion is one of the signs of this.”
At the same time, Iran, which is an SCO observer, would like to become a full member but this has not happened yet. There are objective reasons for this, Muratbek Imanaliyev, who was the SCO Secretary General before the latest summit, said in his interview with The Voice of Russia.
“There is a condition in the SCO’s statutory documents that only countries that are not subject to UN sanctions can join the organisation. The UN has imposed sanctions against Iran, but this does not mean that Iran’s application is off the SCO’s agenda for ever.”
SCO leaders expressed grave concern about the situation in Iran. They emphasized that attempts to use force so as to solve the Iranian problem could have unpredictable results. The SCO member-states also severely criticised the situation in Syria. The summit declaration reads that the SCO is against a foreign military operation and forced surrender of power in Syria
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_06_09/77642301/
The elite's plan is to create 4 huge trading blocks. The Americas, Europe, Africa and Asia. Just before they unite the world under one rulership. Trust me. It's for show. If the USA even felt the slightest threat from the Chinese, they would be reduced to ashes. The Chinese economy is being fueled by western investors. The Chinese would not turn on the hand that feeds them.
They need to create a threat to justify the huge military spending which they profit MASSIVELY from. I just dont see where all these Asians and Indians fit into the bigger scheme of things......The world cant support their growing population. The elites will probably build up China(like they did Russia) and then reduce their population by half using some crazy excuse. Same thing with India. They are also building up their military. The elites have been known to wage wars for population control......
Getting back on topic? Looks like my suspicions were right once again. See the ones shot down in the helicopter WERE from the team that raided Osama's hideout. I smell murder and tying loose ends(witnesses).
http://abcnews.go.com/International...sh-afghanistan/story?id=14245387#.UD6UeKMgt1E
A helicopter was shot down today by Afghan insurgents as it was rushing to aid troops in a firefight, killing 30 Americans, including 22 Navy SEALs, most of whom belonged to Team 6, the unit whose members were involved in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, U.S. officials said.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
It doesn't matter what you've heard .. you are simply wrong and uneducated on Libya.
You should spend more time better informing yourself about Libya. I've already demonstrated that you are wrong about what you've been told .. I'll do it again.
Libyan Woman Have Vast Rights & Freedoms Under Gadaffi
Libya's War For The Abaya
By Susan Lindauer
Former US Intel Asset Covering Libya and Iraq
The abaya carries so much weight in the battle for Islamic modernity that Gadhaffi pretty much banned Islamic dress from the first days of his government. Getting rid of the abaya was part of Gadhaffi's larger reform package supporting women's rights-one of the best and most advanced in the entire Arab world. The transformation of women's status has been so great that the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran imposed a fatwa against Gadhaffi years ago, declaring his government blasphemous to Islamic traditions.
To gain insider perspective on Gadhaffi's reforms for women, members of a fact-finding delegation in Libya spoke with Najat ElMadani, chairwoman of the Libyan Society for Culture and Sciences, an NGO started in 1994. They also interviewed Sheikh Khaled Tentoush, one the most prominent Imams in Libya. Imam Tentoush has survived two NATO assassination attempts, one that was particularly revealing.
Tentoush said that he and 12 other progressive Imams were traveling to Benghazi to discuss a peaceful end to the conflict. They stopped for tea at a guest house in Brega--- and NATO dropped a bomb right on top of them, killing 11 of the 13 Imams, who had embraced Islamic reforms that empower women's rights and modernity.
There were no military installations or Gadhaffi soldiers anywhere nearby that would have justified NATO bombing. This was a deliberate assassination of Islamic leaders who give religious legitimacy to Gadhaffi's modernist policies, and therefore pose a great threat to the conservative ambitions of Islamic Rebels. NATO killed them off.
What's got radical Islamists so upset in Libya? Here's a primer on women's rights under Gadhaffi:
No Male Chaperones in Libya
In Libya, women are allowed to move about the city, go shopping or visit friends without a male escort. Unbelievable as it sounds, throughout most of the Arab world, such freedoms are strictly forbidden. In much of Pakistan, for example, a 5 year old male child would be considered a suitable chaperone for an adult woman in the marketplace. Otherwise she'd better stay home. In Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, women are frequently locked in their apartments while their husbands, brothers or fathers go off to work. Yes, there are exceptions. Some families individually reject these practices. However, before readers protest this characterization, you must be honest and acknowledge that the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Saudis/Kuwaitis aren't the only groups that constrain women's freedoms in the Arab world. This is common social behavior throughout large swaths of Arab society.
In Libya, women are never locked in their homes, while their husbands, fathers and brothers go to work. Gadhaffi forbids restricting women's mobility.
In Libya, women have full legal rights to drive cars-unlike their sisters in Saudi Arabia. In a lot of Arab countries, a woman's husband holds her passport. So she cannot travel outside of the country without his approval.
Marriage Rights
Tragically, in Kabul, Afghanistan, a young woman can be locked in Prison for rejecting her father's choice of husband. Until she changes her mind, her prospective mother in law visits the prison every day, demanding to know why her son is not "good enough" for this girl. Why does she disobey those who know what's best for her? That poor woman stays locked up in Kabul prison until she changes her mind. And it happens right under the noses of American and NATO soldiers. A NATO Occupation won't protect Libyan women, either.
All over the Arab world-from Yemen to Jordan to Saudi Arabia to Iran- fathers and brothers decide what age a young woman will be given away in marriage, usually as soon as she hits puberty- She has no choice in the most important decision of her life. Frequently a young girl gets married off to one of her father's adult friends or a cousin. Throughout the Arab world, it's socially acceptable for a shopkeeper to ask a young Muslim girl if she has started to menstruate. A good Islamic girl is expected to answer truthfully.
Not in Libya. To his greatest credit, bucking all Islamic traditions-from the first days of government, Gadhaffi said No Way to forced marriages. Libyan woman have the right to choose their own husbands. They are encouraged to seek love marriages. Under strict Libyan law, without exception no person can force a Libyan woman to marry any man for any reason.
Forced marriages have been such a problem throughout the Arab world, that in Libya, an Imam always calls on the woman if there is an impending marriage. The Imam meets with her privately, and asks if any person is forcing her to marry, or if there's any reason she's marrying this person other than her desire to be with this man. Both Najat and Imam Tentoush were very adamant on these points.
In Libya, the Imams are expected to protect the woman from abuse by relatives.
Right to End a Marriage
Divorce is brutally difficult for a woman throughout the Arab world. A husband can beat or rape his wife, or commit adultery or lock her in a room like a prison. No matter what a woman suffers, as a wife she has no legal rights to leave that marriage, even for her own protection. When her father negotiates that marriage contract, she's stuck for life. A man can divorce a woman in front of two witnesses by repeating three times: "I divorce you. I divorce you. I divorce you." He can text that message on a cell phone, and it's over. The woman has no reciprocal freedom. She's stuck in that marriage until her husband lets her go.
Not so in Libya. A Libyan woman can leave a marriage anytime she chooses. A woman simply files for divorce and goes on with her life. It is very similar to U.S. laws, in that a man has no power to stop her. It's completely within her control to initiate a divorce.
In Libya, if a woman enters a marriage with her own assets and the marriage ends, her husband cannot touch her assets. The same is true of the man's assets. Joint assets usually go to the woman.
These "abnormal" marriage rights stir deep anger among conservative Libyan men. Rebels particularly hate Gadhaffi's government for granting marriage rights to women.
But consider how delaying marriage impacts women's opportunities in society.
Delayed marriage means delayed childbirth, which empowers young women to continue education and gain employment. Not surprisingly then, Libyan women enjoy some of the best opportunities in the Arab world. That might also cause simmering resentments among conservative Libyan men.
Education of Libyan Women
In Libya more women take advantage of higher education than men, according to Najat. There are professional women in every walk of life. Many Libyan women are scientists, university professors, lawyers, doctors, government employees, journalists and business women. Najat attributes that freedom and the range of choices to Gadhaffi, and his government's insistence that women must be free to choose their lives and be fully supported in those choices. Najat and Tentoush said that some Imams in Libya would like it to be otherwise-especially those Imams favoring the Rebels- but Gadhaffi has always over ruled them. For example there are many women soldiers, and they are very strong and fully capable of contributing to the military defense of the country.
Women receive education scholarships equal to the men's. All Libyans can go abroad and study if they so desire- paid for by Gadhaffi's government. Single women usually take a brother or male relative with them, and Najat said all expenses are covered for both the woman and her companion.
In Libya, women are not required to seek a husband's permission to hold a job, and any type of job is available to her. In contrast, many employment opportunities are proscribed in many other Arab countries, because work puts women in daily proximity to men who are not their husbands. That eliminates many types of job opportunities.
Bashing Women's Rights
These are some of the reasons why Rebels consider Gadhaffi an "infidel." They frequently express a desire to reinstate the Shariah. It's an open secret in Arab circles. In ignoring this point, NATO resembles the three monkeys. See no truth. Hear no truth. Speak no truth. But the Arab community understands this dynamic. Rebels are going to pat Hillary Clinton and Sarkozy on the head right up until they capture power. Then they're going to do exactly what they started out to do. Reinstate Islamic law-under the protection of the United States and NATO governments. Conservative social codes will be enforced just like Afghanistan.
Libyans understand this point, even if Americans and Europeans are lost in denial.
It should surprise no one, therefore, that some of Gadhaffi's greatest support comes from Libyan women. Nor should it surprise Libya watchers that Gadhaffi's not exactly "clinging to power" as the corporate media likes to suggest. Quite the contrary, Gadhaffi's support has skyrocketed to 80 or 85 percent during this crisis. President Obama, Sarkozy and Bersculoni would be thrilled to enjoy such intense popular support.
NATO bombing has backfired and alienated the Libyan people from the Rebel cause, destroying community infrastructure that Libyans are truly proud of. Rebels are chasing pro-Gaddhaffi families out of Benghazi, a sort of political cleansing. But they have no street credibility that would give them power in negotiations with other Libyans, because losers don't get to dictate the terms. NATO can propagandize until Sarkozy falls over in a fit, but the people have resoundingly rejected these Rebels.
NATO is pushing a political resolution, because Europe wants off the merry-go-round. In truth, the music is getting uglier every day. NATO never should have jumped on this bandwagon in the first place. There's no sense to it. They're fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, and embracing Al Qaeda and conservative Islam in Benghazi.
http://rense.com/general94/libywm.htm
That is UBER-ridiculous and seriously unlearned.
It was our AL QUEDA posse cheering the death of Gaddafi.
The attack and destruction of Libya was an atrocity .. and if you still hold the same views after you've been presented with the facts, the yopu aren't as well-informed or open to the truth as I thought.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Disillusioned
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See this is why I'm terrified, not because of what the chinese might do, they're mostly sane, I'm worried about the trigger happy americans with nukes. You guys know China has them too right? I know it's a fairly recent development of over forty years.
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/...7#.UD6UeKMgt1E
A helicopter was shot down today by Afghan insurgents as it was rushing to aid troops in a firefight, killing 30 Americans, including 22 Navy SEALs, most of whom belonged to Team 6, the unit whose members were involved in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, U.S. officials said.
Okay, even I think that's fucked up.
A helicopter was shot down today by Afghan insurgents as it was rushing to aid troops in a firefight, killing 30 Americans, including 22 Navy SEALs, most of whom belonged to Team 6, the unit whose members were involved in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, U.S. officials said.
Okay, even I think that's fucked up.