uscitizen
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Like I said Newts followers got out of control.
Remember if a politician calls something "the blue skies initiative" for example, expect that they pertty much mean the opposite.
Truth sells very poorly.
Newt takes his jab at R Presidential Hopefuls...
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Like I said Newts followers got out of control.
Remember if a politician calls something "the blue skies initiative" for example, expect that they pertty much mean the opposite.
Truth sells very poorly.
cawacko
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Ok then, in what way did they get out of control?
Line Item Veto.... Passed (struck down)
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/25/scotus.lineitem/
Truth in Sentencing laws... Passed
Welfare reform... Passed
Child support enforcement... Passed
Repeal Marriage Tax Penalty... Passed (not perfectly so, but definitely passed and definitely helped the economy along)
No US troops under UN Command... Not passed. Shame really.
SS earnings limit increased... Passed... (another one good for the economy)
Capital Gains tax cuts... Passed... (definitely good for the economy)
Term limits... Not passed....
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/25/scotus.lineitem/
Truth in Sentencing laws... Passed
Welfare reform... Passed
Child support enforcement... Passed
Repeal Marriage Tax Penalty... Passed (not perfectly so, but definitely passed and definitely helped the economy along)
No US troops under UN Command... Not passed. Shame really.
SS earnings limit increased... Passed... (another one good for the economy)
Capital Gains tax cuts... Passed... (definitely good for the economy)
Term limits... Not passed....
cawacko
Well-known member
Damo listed out what passed and what didn't. Which one of those do believe is a contract on america? What positions led to "neo-cons"?
Which wasn't in the Contract with America. You are now being disingenuous. It clearly had nothing to do with "neo-con" policy. This is an attempt to rewrite history.
Here is the original Contract, much of it did not pass, and what did, not as newt envisioned. I agree that Bill moved too far to the right, and actually let some of the shit go through, but much of it still did not.
THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out- of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses. (Bill Text) (Description)
2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT: An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in- sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools. (Bill Text) (Description)
3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility. (Bill Text) (Description)
4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT: Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society. (Bill Text) (Description)
5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT: A S500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief. (Bill Text) (Description)
6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT: No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world. (Bill Text) (Description)
7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT: Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years. (Bill Text) (Description)
8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT: Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages. (Bill Text) (Description)
9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT: "Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation. (Bill Text) (Description)
10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT: A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators. (Description)
Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.
Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.
"Here is the original Contract, much of it did not pass, and what did, not as newt envisioned. I agree that Bill moved too far to the right, and actually let some of the shit go through, but much of it still did not."
Yet I listed above 7 of 10 passed. Attempting to say that much of it didn't is pretense only.
Yet I listed above 7 of 10 passed. Attempting to say that much of it didn't is pretense only.
But each one you listed, was only part of one item on the list. so to say that 7 out of ten passed, is also pretentious, if you ask me.
Most of the bills died in the Senate, the same way the Dem 2006 agenda passed the house but withered in the Senate.
Not quite. The site you listed also showed the writing for the original proposed bills, much of it passed.
Pretending that "Much of it didn't" is an attempt to rewrite history to one you are more comfortable with.
My main point was that without the RR the Contract with America was popular among people of both parties. Secondary... That Newt clearly was no "neo-con" as none of those points had anything to do with "neo-con" values. And that thirdly, after a veto or two, Billary signed the laws into effect nearly totally unchanged.
No, they didn't. The Capital Gains tax cuts are still there, as is the welfare reform, the raise in SS earning limits, still there....
You are still trying to rewrite history.
uscitizen
Villified User
# FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
# SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
# THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
# FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
# FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
# SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
# SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
# EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
for full test goto:
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html
# SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
# THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
# FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
# FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
# SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
# SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
# EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
for full test goto:
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html
I agree that much of this remained undone, however of the laws and the legislation proposed in the Contract 7 of 10 passed.
That is most certainly not "much of it didn't pass".
These items were listed before the actual 10 specific laws proposed with the contract.
I sense even more disingenuous blather coming from the left on this.
First it was "much didn't pass".
I listed the laws.
Then it was...
Um, um... Well, they were changed!
I pointed out that it was rubbish.
Then it was... Um.. um... The Senate struck them down!
I showed it was untrue....
Now we have...
These unspecified goals previous to the specific laws set forth in the contract....
What next?
Also note, your original point was that he was the original "neo-con" yet nothing in your list has anything to do with the neo agenda.