No, Slaves Didn't Build This Country

T. A. Gardner said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
The chronology of the posts clearly shows my providing links to valid sources that document historical records that disproves the subject title of this thread. You and your idiot compadres just want to pretend that doesn't exist....you can't in a printed medium. But you're just too dim and stubborn to acknowledge that.
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In 5 pages, this is your SOLE link to any article on slavery, and that comes from the History Channel. The article is vague, unsourced, and at best mostly anecdotal.

https://www.history.com/news/deeper-roots-of-northern-slavery-unearthed

This second article, you just now posted pretty much echos what I've stated.

https://www.gilderlehrman.org/histo...South grew,basis for American economic growth
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Folks, I don't know if TD is drunk, incredibly stupid or just a pathetic 3rd rate David Duke wanna be .... his lies, denials and general BS is constantly being debunked by the chronology of the posts.

Posts #4 & #73. You can read the content of ALL the links and click back on the arrows to see the original assertions that I responded to. Someone needs to explain to TD that no matter how often he parrots his drivel, he can't erase the past for the objective reader.
 
Nordberg said:
Needed? That is an unfair term. They wanted to max profits and get very wealthy. The cheapest and most unprotected labor they could find was what they found in slavery. That is what compelled our manufacturers to move operations to Mexico, then China and then 3rd world countries. The ownership class has never cared about the laborers that make them rich.
Slavery stayed until farming machines made slaves too expensive. Then they threw them out. They no longer had any use
for them.
The colonists used indentured service for cheap labor and slaves. First slave was in 1619.
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Actually, slavery's cousin by the name of Jim Crow took over after the Civil War and the 13th Amendment. Remember, Grant didn't really crack down on the various Southern states that played fast & loose regarding freed slaves, as he didn't want a continuation of the War on any level. Jim Crow ended by 1968....and THAT'S a long time. The imbeciles that authored and supported the OP are the equivalent of Holocaust deniers....insipidly stubborn revisionist and liars.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Folks, I don't know if TD is drunk, incredibly stupid or just a pathetic 3rd rate David Duke wanna be .... his lies, denials and general BS is constantly being debunked by the chronology of the posts.
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All I notice is you being a troll who is screaming for attention: "Everybody look at me! All attention on me please!"
 
Taichiliberal said:
Is this what you teach your kids or what was taught to you? No wonder you come off as willfully fucking stupid MAGA minion bigot

Here stupid, for your edification:


By 1840, the South grew 60 percent of the world's cotton and provided some 70 percent of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured goods that laid the basis for American economic growth.

https://www.gilderlehrman.org/histo...South grew,basis for American economic growth.
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There was no southern strategy. How many democrats voted for the 13th and 14th and 15th and 19th amendments?
 
ptif219 said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Is this what you teach your kids or what was taught to you? No wonder you come off as willfully fucking stupid MAGA minion bigot

Here stupid, for your edification:


By 1840, the South grew 60 percent of the world's cotton and provided some 70 percent of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured goods that laid the basis for American economic growth.

https://www.gilderlehrman.org/histor...nomic growth.
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There was no southern strategy. How many democrats voted for the 13th and 14th and 15th and 19th amendments?
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Ahh, so like the intellectually racist coward that you are, you avoid conceding to the FACTS regarding slavery's economic intertwine with American financial progress. So instead, you divert to some other straw man argument based in racist revisionism.

Again, you fail. Here's something else for you to ignore:


GOP Apologizes for Southern Strategy

https://inside.sfuhs.org/dept/history/US_History_reader/Chapter14/southernstrat2.htm
 
Taichiliberal said:
Is this what you teach your kids or what was taught to you? No wonder you come off as willfully fucking stupid MAGA minion bigot

Here stupid, for your edification:


By 1840, the South grew 60 percent of the world's cotton and provided some 70 percent of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured goods that laid the basis for American economic growth.

https://www.gilderlehrman.org/histo...South grew,basis for American economic growth.
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So?

The North in 1860 had about $207 million in bank deposits compared to $47 million in the South. The North overwhelmingly had the population, industry, resources, manpower, and transportation systems to economically overwhelm the South. Cotton may have been a huge export, but it wasn't a major driver of the US economy.

As the South discovered PDQ once the Civil War started, the British could go to Egypt and India for cotton and blow off the Confederacy.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ahh, so like the intellectually racist coward that you are, you avoid conceding to the FACTS regarding slavery's economic intertwine with American financial progress. So instead, you divert to some other straw man argument based in racist revisionism.

Again, you fail. Here's something else for you to ignore:


GOP Apologizes for Southern Strategy

https://inside.sfuhs.org/dept/history/US_History_reader/Chapter14/southernstrat2.htm
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So you will ignor the racism of the democrat party. I am not surprised. I doubt you even know what those amendments are about
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Is this what you teach your kids or what was taught to you? No wonder you come off as willfully fucking stupid MAGA minion bigot

Here stupid, for your edification:


By 1840, the South grew 60 percent of the world's cotton and provided some 70 percent of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured goods that laid the basis for American economic growth.

https://www.gilderlehrman.org/histor...nomic growth.
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So?

The North in 1860 had about $207 million in bank deposits compared to $47 million in the South. The North overwhelmingly had the population, industry, resources, manpower, and transportation systems to economically overwhelm the South. Cotton may have been a huge export, but it wasn't a major driver of the US economy.

As the South discovered PDQ once the Civil War started, the British could go to Egypt and India for cotton and blow off the Confederacy.
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Your myopic revisionism is pathetic (with no sources linked, I may add). For your education:


The Southern lag in industrial development did not result from any inherent economic disadvantages. There was great wealth in the South, but it was primarily tied up in the slave economy. In 1860, the economic value of slaves in the United States exceeded the invested value of all of the nation's railroads, factories, and banks combined. On the eve of the Civil War, cotton prices were at an all-time high. The Confederate leaders were confident that the importance of cotton on the world market, particularly in England and France, would provide the South with the diplomatic and military assistance they needed for victory.


https://www.nps.gov/articles/indust... 1860, the economic value,at an all-time high.

Normal, objective people look at history as a whole. Whiny, "I'm a victim" bigots look at only what suits their beliefs.

You lose, clown. Now cover your eyes and parrot versions of the SOS. I'll catch you later for a predictable laugh.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Your myopic revisionism is pathetic (with no sources linked, I may add). For your education:


The Southern lag in industrial development did not result from any inherent economic disadvantages. There was great wealth in the South, but it was primarily tied up in the slave economy. In 1860, the economic value of slaves in the United States exceeded the invested value of all of the nation's railroads, factories, and banks combined. On the eve of the Civil War, cotton prices were at an all-time high. The Confederate leaders were confident that the importance of cotton on the world market, particularly in England and France, would provide the South with the diplomatic and military assistance they needed for victory.


https://www.nps.gov/articles/indust... 1860, the economic value,at an all-time high.

Normal, objective people look at history as a whole. Whiny, "I'm a victim" bigots look at only what suits their beliefs.

You lose, clown. Now cover your eyes and parrot versions of the SOS. I'll catch you later for a predictable laugh.
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All of that is a nominal value, not an actual one. Where was the South going to sell those slaves to turn them into cash? Same goes for cotton. Most of the cotton the North captured during the Civil War was sitting because there was no market for it. Like I stated, the British went elsewhere.

Even if they somehow could have recouped that value, the South wasn't going to suddenly build a rail network, iron mills, mines, and everything else to build a non-agrarian economy. They were stuck with an economy built on a single resource and that screwed them. Outside the Tredegar Ironworks outside Richmond VA, the South really didn't have any iron production to speak of, as but one example.

Yes, normal, objective people look at history as a whole. Apparently, you look at it through the lens of racism and CRT.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
All of that is a nominal value, not an actual one. Where was the South going to sell those slaves to turn them into cash? Same goes for cotton. Most of the cotton the North captured during the Civil War was sitting because there was no market for it. Like I stated, the British went elsewhere.

Even if they somehow could have recouped that value, the South wasn't going to suddenly build a rail network, iron mills, mines, and everything else to build a non-agrarian economy. They were stuck with an economy built on a single resource and that screwed them. Outside the Tredegar Ironworks outside Richmond VA, the South really didn't have any iron production to speak of, as but one example.

Yes, normal, objective people look at history as a whole. Apparently, you look at it through the lens of racism and CRT.
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Probably back to India where the cotton textile trade originated under the East India Company, IIRC.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Probably back to India where the cotton textile trade originated under the East India Company, IIRC.
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India and Egypt. They ignored the Confederacy to keep from annoying the US, and really wanted no part of that war other than to profit off it selling weapons to both sides.
 
ptif219 said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Ahh, so like the intellectually racist coward that you are, you avoid conceding to the FACTS regarding slavery's economic intertwine with American financial progress. So instead, you divert to some other straw man argument based in racist revisionism.

Again, you fail. Here's something else for you to ignore:


GOP Apologizes for Southern Strategy

https://inside.sfuhs.org/dept/histor...hernstrat2.htm
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So you will ignor the racism of the democrat party. I am not surprised. I doubt you even know what those amendments are about
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Are you fucking stupid or just insipidly stubborn? Or maybe a little of both?

The chronology of the posts clearly shows you IGNORING historical facts that demonstrate the economic importance of slavery in American history. Then you provide some supposition & conjecture laden BS from fibbertarians (bigoted right wing wonks who think their crap doesn't stink). But the topper is how you proudly admit willful ignorance about Constitutional amendments crucial to the discussion while ignoring documented evidence of the Southern Strategy in use in history ... but you'll continue to blather your BS as if your ignorance is justified.

:palm:

You're a pathetic joke not worth further consideration.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Your myopic revisionism is pathetic (with no sources linked, I may add). For your education:

The Southern lag in industrial development did not result from any inherent economic disadvantages. There was great wealth in the South, but it was primarily tied up in the slave economy. In 1860, the economic value of slaves in the United States exceeded the invested value of all of the nation's railroads, factories, and banks combined. On the eve of the Civil War, cotton prices were at an all-time high. The Confederate leaders were confident that the importance of cotton on the world market, particularly in England and France, would provide the South with the diplomatic and military assistance they needed for victory.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/industr...-time high.

Normal, objective people look at history as a whole. Whiny, "I'm a victim" bigots look at only what suits their beliefs.

You lose, clown. Now cover your eyes and parrot versions of the SOS. I'll catch you later for a predictable laugh.
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All of that is a nominal value, not an actual one. Where was the South going to sell those slaves to turn them into cash? Same goes for cotton. Most of the cotton the North captured during the Civil War was sitting because there was no market for it. Like I stated, the British went elsewhere.

Even if they somehow could have recouped that value, the South wasn't going to suddenly build a rail network, iron mills, mines, and everything else to build a non-agrarian economy. They were stuck with an economy built on a single resource and that screwed them. Outside the Tredegar Ironworks outside Richmond VA, the South really didn't have any iron production to speak of, as but one example.

Yes, normal, objective people look at history as a whole. Apparently, you look at it through the lens of racism and CRT.
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:whoa::palm: You've exceeded your usual racist insipid stubbornness, revisionism and willful ignorance. Congrats.

Your first sentence is so stupid it defies logic. I give you documented, historical fact that YOU redefine as "nominal".

The slave trade was an ECONOMY, you moron! People got paid to capture, ship and sell slaves. Matters of fact, ledger books, history in England, Portugal, the Netherlands and America. Internally in America, ownership of slaves was a sign of a prosperous family/person. Again, documented matters of fact & history.

That is what burns the butts of bigoted bumpkins like yourself, TD. When evil is successful, it gets comfortable and proud....so much so that it records and documents it's actions. Any historian worth his salt can provide documentation of America's economically benefitted from slavery. Hell, one of the first attempted cases of reparations was a family demonstrating through historical records how a current large business that has been around for over a century purchased and owned slaves in it's former incarnation.

Oh, and as for your little diatribe about railroads...why don't you learn how to READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY? My previous post was about the economics of slavery exceeding the cumulative profits of the American rail, iron and mines FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AT THE TIME. Again, matters of fact & history that you stupidly try to revise to fit your drivel.

Seems that you are hell bent on trying to change history by using your intellectual impotence and dishonesty to revise things. You fail as usual.

I could waste time and effort linking valid historical sites again and again to counter your blather. But as the chronology of the post shows, you just don't deal with reality.

But I'll throw you a bone of hope: explain to the reading audience how factually and logically disproving the subject title of this thread is "racist". We'll wait.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Are you fucking stupid or just insipidly stubborn? Or maybe a little of both?

The chronology of the posts clearly shows you IGNORING historical facts that demonstrate the economic importance of slavery in American history. Then you provide some supposition & conjecture laden BS from fibbertarians (bigoted right wing wonks who think their crap doesn't stink). But the topper is how you proudly admit willful ignorance about Constitutional amendments crucial to the discussion while ignoring documented evidence of the Southern Strategy in use in history ... but you'll continue to blather your BS as if your ignorance is justified.

:palm:

You're a pathetic joke not worth further consideration.
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I have shown how what you believe is false. You did not answer how many democrats voted for the 13 th and 14th and 15th and 19th amendments
 
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