Not So Absurd... Cars Kill, Let's Ban 'em

Watermark said:
Yep, it's not only you tearing apart the fabric of American society, especially the minorities, for limited selfish political purposes.
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You are a maroon.....

I advocate decriminalizing the behavior. Only people who have real victims should be in prison.
 
Damocles said:
You are a maroon.....

I advocate decriminalizing the behavior. Only people who have real victims should be in prison.
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Noun
Wikipedia has an article on:
Maroon (people)

Singular
maroon


Plural
maroons

maroon (plural maroons)

1. An escaped negro slave of the Caribbean and the Americas or a descendant of escaped slaves.
2. A castaway; a person who has been marooned.

[edit] Adjective

maroon (not comparable)

Positive
maroon


Comparative
not comparable


Superlative
none (absolute)

1. associated with Maroon culture, communities or peoples

[edit] Verb

Infinitive
to maroon


Third person singular
maroons


Simple past
marooned


Past participle
marooned


Present participle
marooning

to maroon (third-person singular simple present maroons, present participle marooning, simple past marooned, past participle marooned)

1. To abandon in a remote, desolate place, as on a deserted island.

[edit] Translations

runaway slave

* French: m.. Nègre marron; f.. nègresse marron. (obs) m.. Nègre libre; 'f. nègresse libre
* Spanish: Esclavo cimarrón

[edit] External links

* A good short account of the "Bush Negroes" in Suriname

[edit] Etymology 2

French marron, “chestnut; brown”.

[edit] Noun
Wikipedia has an article on:
Maroon (color)

Singular
maroon


Plural
maroons

maroon (plural maroons)

1. (colour) A dark red, somewhat brownish, colour.

maroon colour:

[edit] Translations
colour[Show]

* Chinese: 栗色
* Danish: maron
* French: Marron pourpré; bordeaux
* German: Kastanienbraun n.
* Greek:
o Modern καστανέρυθρο (kastanerythro or kastanerithro)
o Katharevousa: καστανέρυθρον (kastanerythron or kastanerithron)
* Italian: marrone, bordeaux



* Japanese: くり色 (くりいろ, kuriiro)
* Korean: 밤색 (bamsaeg, -k)
* Spanish: castaño
* Swedish: bordeaux
* Vietnamese: hạt dẻ

[edit] Adjective

maroon (comparative more maroon, superlative most maroon)

Positive
maroon


Comparative
more maroon


Superlative
most maroon

1. (colour) of a maroon color

[edit] Translations
color[Show]

* French (invariable): Marron pourpré; bordeaux
* German: kastanienbraun
* Italian: marrone, rossastro



* Japanese: くり色の (くりいろの, kuriiro no)
* Spanish: castaño

[edit] See also

* Appendix:Colours

[edit] Etymology 3

Unknown

[edit] Noun
Wikipedia has an article on:
Maroon (rocket)

Singular
maroon


Plural
maroons

maroon (plural maroons)

1. a rocket fired to summon the crew of a lifeboat
 
Watermark said:
Noun
Wikipedia has an article on:
Maroon (people)

Singular
maroon


Plural
maroons

maroon (plural maroons)

1. An escaped negro slave of the Caribbean and the Americas or a descendant of escaped slaves.
2. A castaway; a person who has been marooned.

[edit] Adjective

maroon (not comparable)

Positive
maroon


Comparative
not comparable


Superlative
none (absolute)

1. associated with Maroon culture, communities or peoples

[edit] Verb

Infinitive
to maroon


Third person singular
maroons


Simple past
marooned


Past participle
marooned


Present participle
marooning

to maroon (third-person singular simple present maroons, present participle marooning, simple past marooned, past participle marooned)

1. To abandon in a remote, desolate place, as on a deserted island.

[edit] Translations

runaway slave

* French: m.. Nègre marron; f.. nègresse marron. (obs) m.. Nègre libre; 'f. nègresse libre
* Spanish: Esclavo cimarrón

[edit] External links

* A good short account of the "Bush Negroes" in Suriname

[edit] Etymology 2

French marron, “chestnut; brown”.

[edit] Noun
Wikipedia has an article on:
Maroon (color)

Singular
maroon


Plural
maroons

maroon (plural maroons)

1. (colour) A dark red, somewhat brownish, colour.

maroon colour:

[edit] Translations
colour[Show]

* Chinese: 栗色
* Danish: maron
* French: Marron pourpré; bordeaux
* German: Kastanienbraun n.
* Greek:
o Modern καστανέρυθρο (kastanerythro or kastanerithro)
o Katharevousa: καστανέρυθρον (kastanerythron or kastanerithron)
* Italian: marrone, bordeaux



* Japanese: くり色 (くりいろ, kuriiro)
* Korean: 밤색 (bamsaeg, -k)
* Spanish: castaño
* Swedish: bordeaux
* Vietnamese: hạt dẻ

[edit] Adjective

maroon (comparative more maroon, superlative most maroon)

Positive
maroon


Comparative
more maroon


Superlative
most maroon

1. (colour) of a maroon color

[edit] Translations
color[Show]

* French (invariable): Marron pourpré; bordeaux
* German: kastanienbraun
* Italian: marrone, rossastro



* Japanese: くり色の (くりいろの, kuriiro no)
* Spanish: castaño

[edit] See also

* Appendix:Colours

[edit] Etymology 3

Unknown

[edit] Noun
Wikipedia has an article on:
Maroon (rocket)

Singular
maroon


Plural
maroons

maroon (plural maroons)

1. a rocket fired to summon the crew of a lifeboat
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You never saw Bugs Bunny? What a maroon!
 
RStringfield said:
Interesting article on felony murder rule, as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/u...login&pagewanted=print&oref=login&oref=slogin

Early in the morning of March 10, 2003, after a raucous party that lasted into the small hours, a groggy and hungover 20-year-old named Ryan Holle lent his Chevrolet Metro to a friend. That decision, prosecutors later said, was tantamount to murder.

The friend used the car to drive three men to the Pensacola home of a marijuana dealer, aiming to steal a safe. The burglary turned violent, and one of the men killed the dealer’s 18-year-old daughter by beating her head in with a shotgun he found in the home.

Mr. Holle was a mile and a half away, but that did not matter.

He was convicted of murder under a distinctively American legal doctrine that makes accomplices as liable as the actual killer for murders committed during felonies like burglaries, rapes and robberies.

Mr. Holle, who had given the police a series of statements in which he seemed to admit knowing about the burglary, was convicted of first-degree murder. He is serving a sentence of life without the possibility of parole at the Wakulla Correctional Institution here, 20 miles southwest of Tallahassee.

A prosecutor explained the theory to the jury at Mr. Holle’s trial in Pensacola in 2004. “No car, no crime,” said the prosecutor, David Rimmer. “No car, no consequences. No car, no murder.”
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At common law he may well have been convicted of being an accessory in the first degree but only if it could be proven that he reasonably expected that someone would be murdered. In this case though it seems that the law in Florida is more stringent. I don't think he would have been convicted in my jurisdiction, for example, because it would appear that he couldn't have reasonably forseen a murder rather than a theft taking place.

On the car thing. If they'd taken a taxi I don't suppose anyone would have been trying to lock up the cabbie or ban cabs.
 
Diuretic said:
At common law he may well have been convicted of being an accessory in the first degree but only if it could be proven that he reasonably expected that someone would be murdered. In this case though it seems that the law in Florida is more stringent. I don't think he would have been convicted in my jurisdiction, for example, because it would appear that he couldn't have reasonably forseen a murder rather than a theft taking place.

On the car thing. If they'd taken a taxi I don't suppose anyone would have been trying to lock up the cabbie or ban cabs.
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The US is the only common law country in the world with the doctirine still on the books. Even here, a few states have abolished it, mostly with a court decision. But change always comes much slower to America than to the rest of the world.
 
* A good short account of the "Bush Negroes" in Suriname
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But Bush hates black people.

I think US's position is very common sensical and like realistic pragmatism. If we had a law banning certain types of guns and one violated we could throw all those people in jail with the drug users. What does justice have to do with it.
 
Diuretic said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bentley

You might find that interesting Watermark.
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Reading about the death penalty, even applied to violent felons, depresses me as bad as reading about terrible murders. The thing about it is that it's done with our consent. To actually take someones life... someone, who, for all practical purposes, is rendered harmless.

The transfer doctirine is especially cruel. The fact that the state murdered a retarded man under the age of 21 is terrible.

But let's let him have it! It's the law so you can't "whine" about it - everything is fine!

The state of Indonesia was about to murder one of your citizens for "drug smuggling", wasn't it? In some places the murder of drug smugglers is mandatory. But, let's just use US's logic - it's all fine. Not a problem in the world, as long as the state does it.
 
Watermark said:
Reading about the death penalty, even applied to violent felons, depresses me as bad as reading about terrible murders. The thing about it is that it's done with our consent. To actually take someones life... someone, who, for all practical purposes, is rendered harmless.

The transfer doctirine is especially cruel. The fact that the state murdered a retarded man under the age of 21 is terrible.

But let's let him have it! It's the law so you can't "whine" about it - everything is fine!

The state of Indonesia was about to murder one of your citizens for "drug smuggling", wasn't it? In some places the murder of drug smugglers is mandatory. But, let's just use US's logic - it's all fine. Not a problem in the world, as long as the state does it.
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The Bentley case was a triumph of the majesty of the law. Regardless of the sheer unnecessary execution of Bentley, the law said it had to happen and of course the law had to be obeyed. When people discuss English law with me and get all misty-eyed about how wonderful it is I'm happy to throw the Bentley case on the table and remind them that the law is the tool of the privileged.

Yes, Indonesia is pondering executing several of our citizens for attempting to smuggle heroin (I think it is) from Indonesia (Bali) to Australia. Strangely we seem to be not at all fussed over it. Even in the previous federal election the then government was able to express its condemnation of the death penalty here in Australia (which hasn't existed for many years) but support the death penalty in Indonesia (specifically the sentences passed on the Bali Bombers). I thought that was a magnificent effort at hypocrisy.
 
Desh said:
Exactly, If it was a gun he had lent them it would be the same now wouldnt it.

He asisted someone who he knew full well was intending to commit a crime with his help.

There are all kinds of vehicles that are not legal to just own by anyone. Can you just go buy a tank?

There are certain weapons the average citizen should not be allowed to own either.
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A car? Because some fool lent it to criminals? The sentence was correct.
 
How can everybody be sure that this guy knew that the car would be used in a crime? Seriously. I think this law was seriously misapplied.
 
Watermark said:
Reading about the death penalty, even applied to violent felons, depresses me as bad as reading about terrible murders. The thing about it is that it's done with our consent. To actually take someones life... someone, who, for all practical purposes, is rendered harmless.

The transfer doctirine is especially cruel. The fact that the state murdered a retarded man under the age of 21 is terrible.

But let's let him have it! It's the law so you can't "whine" about it - everything is fine!

The state of Indonesia was about to murder one of your citizens for "drug smuggling", wasn't it? In some places the murder of drug smugglers is mandatory. But, let's just use US's logic - it's all fine. Not a problem in the world, as long as the state does it.
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Now where did I say it is fine if the govt does it ?
I just said it is the law, and anyone breaking a law needs to be prepared to pay the price.

I do not think anywhere in the thread where I have said I necessarially agree with the prescribed punishments.
 
uscitizen said:
Now where did I say it is fine if the govt does it ?
I just said it is the law, and anyone breaking a law needs to be prepared to pay the price.

I do not think anywhere in the thread where I have said I necessarially agree with the prescribed punishments.
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Its implicit in your assertion that one "needs to be prepared to pay the price". Its a roundabout deferment to unjust laws, and I think that's what the board spaz was making note of.
 
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