Obama - Make community college free

Cypress said:
Looks like its based on tax credits to me.

Well, whatever it is, this kind of stuff is certainly better than the bomb iran, stay the course in iraq, and overturn Roe v Wade stuff we hear from the other side.
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Fallacy of false dilemna, there are more than 2 choices. Ron Paul would not pay for either.

And let's not forget that Obama threatened to send troops into NUCLEAR Pakistan:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/07/obama.pakistan/index.html
 
all dems need to do is make blanket statement that they will not raise taxes on anyone under 250K.. in fact they will cut them.. and they have zero chance of loosing in 08.

problem is they constantly beat on the middle class. its why independents dont vote for them and only chance they win in 08 is if iraq still a hot issue. they need to take back the middle class.. and i aint talking about 50K.. thats poor.
 
Wrong.............

Robdawg said:
"These schools produce the lifeblood of our communities and the backbone of our workforce," Obama added.

is he serious?? you cant get a minimum pay job anymore w/ an associates degree, they are worthless.

and why should they be free, most people can pay for them w/ a student loan and have tuition covered.
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all community colleges offer work related training in alot of blue collar work areas...and it is a great way to lower the cost for a four year degree...I did just that...went to JC for the first two years...saved alot of money and got a good start toward the BS!
 
Chapdog said:
all dems need to do is make blanket statement that they will not raise taxes on anyone under 250K.. in fact they will cut them.. and they have zero chance of loosing in 08.

problem is they constantly beat on the middle class. its why independents dont vote for them and only chance they win in 08 is if iraq still a hot issue. they need to take back the middle class.. and i aint talking about 50K.. thats poor.
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I don't know that any of us are expert enough, to pick some cutoff point.

But, in principle, I'd raise the tax on investment income back to the levels they were in the prosperous clinton era. Leave wage income alone, at least wages under 250K should be left alone.
 
TheDanold said:
Pay? What do you mean "pay"? It's all "free", it just falls out of the sky, boldly of course.

It seems kind of ominous that old fashioned tax-and-spend is now sold as "bold ideas".
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Tax and spend is better than borrow and spend. With the Democrats you get the former. With the Republicans you get the latter.

On another note, whenever a Democrats puts forth a proposal like this the first question that gets asked is "how are you going to pay for it?" When a Republican puts forth a plan of any sort rarely is the same question asked. How' Giuliani going to pay for his immigration shut down? How is Fred Thompson going to pay for his increase in the size of the military plus increase defense spending? No one knows since no one ever bothered to ask.

Of course, we'd probably here that they would pay for it by cutting taxes since it's Republican mantra that tax cuts increase revenues despite all evidence to the contrary.
 
Cypress said:
I don't know that any of us are expert enough, to pick some cutoff point.

But, in principle, I'd raise the tax on investment income back to the levels they were in the prosperous clinton era. Leave wage income alone, at least wages under 250K should be left alone.
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why would u want to do that?
 
Cypress said:
I don't know that any of us are expert enough, to pick some cutoff point.

But, in principle, I'd raise the tax on investment income back to the levels they were in the prosperous clinton era. Leave wage income alone, at least wages under 250K should be left alone.
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No no. I think I like what you said at first: Leave wage income alone {insert period}.
 
Dungheap said:
Of course, we'd probably here that they would pay for it by cutting taxes since it's Republican mantra that tax cuts increase revenues despite all evidence to the contrary.
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the 1993 omnibus tax increase as a springboard to the 90's tech golden age is a rediculous concept.
 
Chapdog said:
why would u want to do that?
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you just said you didn't want to hurt the middle class. The middle class overwhelmingly gets income from wages, not investment income.
Do you think its fair that Paris Hilton pays, what, 7.5% on her dividend income, while you and I are paying 20 or 25% or our wages?
 
Chapdog said:
all dems need to do is make blanket statement that they will not raise taxes on anyone under 250K.. in fact they will cut them.. and they have zero chance of loosing in 08.

problem is they constantly beat on the middle class. its why independents dont vote for them and only chance they win in 08 is if iraq still a hot issue. they need to take back the middle class.. and i aint talking about 50K.. thats poor.
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Chap - I understand that you believe that you are squarely in the middle class, but even for Massachusetts you make over two times the median income. You are not middle class. You are upper middle/lower upper.

The Massachusetts median is about $60k, higher in Boston and surrounding communities but not by much.
 
Cypress said:
you just said you didn't want to hurt the middle class. The middle class overwhelmingly gets income from wages, not investment income.
Do you think its fair that Paris Hilton pays, what, 7.5% on her dividend income, while you and I are paying 20 or 25% or our wages?
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Ah yes, that world renowned investor Paris Hilton.
 
Cypress said:
you just said you didn't want to hurt the middle class. The middle class overwhelmingly gets income from wages, not investment income.
Do you think its fair that Paris Hilton pays, what, 7.5% on her dividend income, while you and I are paying 20 or 25% or our wages?
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what about the baby boomers.. they all still work but make investment income.

why cant they have a progressive tax there 2.. why u going to tax the middle class 55yo guy making his 50K in cap gains the same way as paris hilton?
 
Dungheap said:
I don't think you understand how trusts generate income.
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I do know how trusts generate income I was being facetious when calling her an investor. Cypress likes to use Paris Hilton as the poster child when calling for higher taxes.
 
50K is poor?? LOL my mom supported me growing up, kept a home, didn't get any welfare or anything, but did get SSI check b/c my father died before i was 18 and she ran a household, didn't get foreclosed on etc.


i just don't think you spend your money wisely
 
Robdawg said:
50K is poor?? LOL my mom supported me growing up, kept a home, didn't get any welfare or anything, but did get SSI check b/c my father died before i was 18 and she ran a household, didn't get foreclosed on etc.


i just don't think you spend your money wisely
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As previously discussed a lot of that depends are where you live. In a place like San Francisco where someone making $125k/yr cannot afford the medium home price $50k is not a whole lot.

Of course there are other areas of the country where one can afford a home on $50k/yr so I definitely think it is a relative thing.
 
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