Obama ranked 7th greatest president

anonymoose said:
Aside from all this tit for tat , do you really believe a survey concluding Brandon is the 14th Greatest President of All Time is representative of , well, anything ? I read where he gets such high praise is because he beat Trump. By that measure Trump should be ranked pretty high for defeating HRC.
In the end it’s the voters that have more to say than academians .
By that measure one could argue Reagan’s 2 landslide victories and Nixon’s over McGovern make them the Greatest in my lifetime.
I’d say the survey should be broken down to ranking
A. The best communicators
B. The most morally depraved and most moral.
C. The most and least corrupt
D. The best negotiators with the opposing party
E. The most fiscally responsible

for example.

Sure they go into that a little, most polarizing, e.g. And Reagan the 4th most polarizing? He won by 2 landslides FFS. Clearly biased.
“The Greatest “ ? Too nebulous.
I’d also limit it to the last 60 or 70 years.
You simply can’t compare presidents of eras too far appart.
It’s a dumb survey and means nothing.
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I never said it was representative of anything. It is based on the actual answers of those that responded to the survey, no more and no less.

The voters have more say in an election. The voters won't be ranking Washington and Lincoln to see which was the better President.

You are free to conduct your own survey and ask those questions.


Polarizing has nothing to do with whether someone won by a landslide. It has to do with how the country viewed them after the election. A President that has 40% of the country strongly disliking them would be more polarizing than a President that has 60% of the country ambivalent.

Your opinion about it being a dumb survey is OK. Your continued lying about the survey is what I have an issue with.
You lied about the NYTimes linking to the survey.
You lied about the participants
You lied about the APSA being a secret society.
You lied about this being a poll and not a survey
You lied about there being no independents that took the survey.
You lied about which members of the APSA were asked to take part in the survey.
You lied about the question asked not being in the paper.

You are free to do your own survey and ask those question if you want. You are not free to lie about the surveys others did.
 
Damocles said:
Not even like that really. They sent out a request, only folks who wanted to responded, this isn't even a valid polling sample of the membership. This is basically a MSDNC internet quiz. They got the results they wanted so that Cypress can tell us all how Trump is the worstest ever president! But hey, maybe next time I'll spend $10 to become a member and change the result.

This poll isn't even like a poll of "registered voters" rather than "likely voters" this was a "respond if you want to" kind of quiz.
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That isn't exactly true.
They sent it out to people they felt were qualified.
It was not a poll and no one that did the survey ever said it was a poll.
You can't spend $10 to be part of the survey. You have to meet the requirements. Pay your $10, then pay to join Section 9, (I'll let anonymous tell you how much that costs.) then you need to have a paper published on the topic of Presidents and Executive politics.
It is a survey it looks like they do every year or least every so often since they compare the results to previous surveys.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It's a survey of people that do historical research on Presidents.
Why do you care about people that are smarter than you?
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It doesn't take much intelligence to send out a survey that only three out of 10 people if that respond to...
And anyone can compile someone's tweets...:laugh: I'm not sure how intelligent they are if they'll sell a membership to anyone for 10 bucks...;) ...but if you want to endorse the organization and embrace the results as presented that's entirely up to you... I have no problem with that and you shouldn't have a problem with the fact that I choose not to...
 
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Port Tack said:
Those asked to participate were current or recent members of the Presidents and Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association with recently published peer-reviewed academic research that appeared in relevant scholarly journals or academic publications.

The association has over 15,000 members and only about 500 were invited to participate in the poll. You need to be a scholar and have published something. Ignorant shitheads like you cannot pay $10, join and participate in the poll. If ignorant shitheads like you could participate do you actually think Trump would be at the bottom?
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If we are going to get a credible ranking of 45 American presidents, we are not going to ask the opinions of MAGA morons, trailer park trash, or nitwits on the street.

MAGAs have either never heard of Zachary Taylor, Martin Van Buren, Franklin Pierce, or have no knowledge of them to base a ranking on.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Why is this poll causing much angst on the MAGAt side?

Is there any doubt about the major flip-flop between Lefties and MAGAts if Biden was at the bottom and Trump was in the middle?
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Not just MAGAs.
E.g., LBJ invaded a sovereign country that had absolutely no beef with the U.S. , under false pretenses which caused 1,353,000 deaths and he’s considered the 9th greatest? Ever? He’s 1000 X’s worse than Trump.
Reagan the 4th most polarizing, one that frustrated Geraldine Ferraro who complained he was supported by traditional democrat voters and won by 2 landslides?
I could give more but you should get my point.
The bias is obvious.
Was Trump one of the worst? Of course. But not close to war criminals such as GWB and especially LBJ.
 
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Poor Richard Saunders said:
That isn't exactly true.
They sent it out to people they felt were qualified.
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What was the qualification? Looks like leftist academia with a few republicans and independents sprinkled in to appear nonbiased.
It was not a poll and no one that did the survey ever said it was a poll.
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Survey is a synonym for poll.



Why do you lie? Only MAGSs lie.
You can't spend $10 to be part of the survey. You have to meet the requirements. Pay your $10, then pay to join Section 9, (I'll let anonymous tell you how much that costs.)
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I can’t and apparently neither can you. I asked yet you failed to answer. Another lie?
 
anonymoose said:
Not just MAGAs.
E.g., LBJ invaded a sovereign country that had absolutely no beef with the U.S. , under false pretenses which caused 1,353,000 deaths and he’s considered the 9th greatest? Ever? He’s 1000 X’s worse than Trump.
Reagan the 4th most polarizing, one that frustrated Geraldine Ferraro who complained he was supported by traditional democrat voters and won by 2 landslides?
I could give more but you should get my point.
The bias is obvious.
Was Trump one of the worst? Of course. But not close to war criminals such as GWB and especially LBJ.
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You are free to publish your own ranking. Again, I fail to see why so many Trumpers are getting their panties in a twist over this.
 
anonymoose said:
They have a legitimate complaint. Trump is easily 3rd last since 1953.
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Trump's traitors, like Trump himself, are fucking morons.

Trump is a draft-dodging, traitorous pedophile. His actions on 1/6 legitimately make him dead last on any list of American presidents.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Trump's traitors, like Trump himself, are fucking morons.

Trump is a draft-dodging, traitorous pedophile. His actions on 1/6 legitimately make him dead last on any list of American presidents.
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That’s worse than causing 1,300,000 needless deaths? OK so that’s your priority. Whatever.
 
anonymoose said:
That’s worse than causing 1,300,000 needless deaths? OK so that’s your priority. Whatever.
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Stalin killed 39M Russians, Mao up to 70M Chinese. The Cold War killed millions. Why do you only belabor LBJ's Proxy War in Vietnam?

Needless deaths were caused by a President who claimed masks don't work, said COVID would be gone by Spring and, for a time, even denied the problem existed. Why do you keep protecting Trump?

June 19, 2020
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/19/faster-response-prevented-most-us-covid-19-deaths/
How many needless Covid-19 deaths were caused by delays in responding? Most of them
More than 120,000 Americans have now perished from Covid-19, surpassing the total number of U.S. dead during World War I. Had American leaders taken the decisive, early measures that several other nations took when they had exactly the same information the U.S. did, at exactly the same time in their experience of the novel coronavirus, how many of these Covid-19 deaths could have been prevented?

That isn’t a hypothetical question. And the answer that emerges from a direct comparison of the fatalities in and policies of the U.S. and other countries — South Korea, Australia, Germany, and Singapore — indicates that between 70% and 99% of the Americans who died from this pandemic might have been saved by measures demonstrated by others to have been feasible.
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MAY 16, 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/16/1099...nformation-made-the-covid-19-death-toll-worse
How vaccine misinformation made the COVID-19 death toll worse
As the U.S. nears one million deaths from COVID-19, analysis finds nearly a third of those deaths could have been prevented — if people had been vaccinated.
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Over 300,000 truly needless deaths caused by politically based, deliberate misinformation all of which goes directly to Donald J. Trump. That's almost six times the number of Americans who died due to Vietnam.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Stalin killed 39M Russians, Mao up to 70M Chinese. The Cold War killed millions. Why do you only belabor LBJ's Proxy War in Vietnam?

Needless deaths were caused by a President who claimed masks don't work, said COVID would be gone by Spring and, for a time, even denied the problem existed. Why do you keep protecting Trump?

June 19, 2020
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/19/faster-response-prevented-most-us-covid-19-deaths/
How many needless Covid-19 deaths were caused by delays in responding? Most of them


MAY 16, 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/16/1099...nformation-made-the-covid-19-death-toll-worse
How vaccine misinformation made the COVID-19 death toll worse


Over 300,000 truly needless deaths caused by politically based, deliberate misinformation all of which goes directly to Donald J. Trump. That's almost six times the number of Americans who died due to Vietnam.
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LBJ is also responsible for saving millions of lives because of his Medicare and Medicaid programs, his expansion of disability benefits, not to mention his landmark civil rights legacy.
 
Cypress said:
LBJ is also responsible for saving millions of lives because of his Medicare and Medicaid programs, his expansion of disability benefits, not to mention his landmark civil rights legacy.
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so stolen elections, killing political rivals, and other heinous crimes were ok, because you believe the ends justify the means????????
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so stolen elections, killing political rivals, and other heinous crimes were ok, because you believe the ends justify the means????????
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LBJ won the 1964 election in an overwhelming landslide.

LBJ gets ranked fairly high on this lists, because we are still living with his legacy. That's how important he was. In some very real sense, we are living in the world LBJ built: Medicare, Medicaid, disability insurance, food stamps, civil rights, voting rights, a social welfare state.
 
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