Robo
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That friend, is the funniest thing I've heard today! The very definition of "SINGLE" Payer mandates a "SINGLE" choice!
Obamacare: The Biggest Insurance Scam in History
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That friend, is the funniest thing I've heard today! The very definition of "SINGLE" Payer mandates a "SINGLE" choice!
Robo
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The Obamacare exchanges that write the junk coverage that's hiding stuff from you, right?
No, single payer means there is just one payor who handles the administration of reimbursement to your doctor.
You can go to whatever doctor you want in a single payer system; you can't do that with private insurance...you're limited to doctors within your provider network.
You don't seem to know what you're so upset about.
Not anymore, thanks to the ACA.
Robo
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Not to the senseless for sure!
Look, I can't help it that you don't know what you're talking about.
A single payer only means there is one entity reimbursing your doctor after they provide you with care. It means you can see whatever doctor you want since there aren't provider networks.
Robo
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So now you put words in my mouth for me right? When did I ever oppose Campaign Finance Reform?
And you'rec favoring the abolishment of all of those private insurance programs through employers that folks have and like, right?
And you trust the politicians to "negotiate" for cheaper cost? With who? Single Payer holds the hammer, all of the loot. Single Payer won't negotiate, Single Payer will mandate! Single payer will assure no profits and the servers will assure minimum service. In the old Soviet Union, there was a saying among the workers, "They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work!" Single Payer will mandate what care you get and what drugs you are allowed to have and Single Payer will give the power of pulling the plug on your ass and your families to an un-elected government bureaucrat!
So you support public campaign financing with a ban on donations and PACs? If so, great! Welcome to the fold!
Of course. Private insurance is a huge cost burden on employers.
The average worker costs $20K for a business to insure (worker pays about $5K and employer pays about $15K).
Benefits costs are a huge part of a business' budget; if they didn't have to worry about those costs anymore, they could use the money they're not spending on health care to raise wages.
Yes, because if they don't, they're voted out.
You can't vote out a health insurance executive.
Drug companies and care providers.
Have you ever negotiated for anything in your life?
The single payer can just refuse to reimburse a provider if they don't provide adequate care. Like what Medicare does now, thanks to the ACA.
Whose profits? Insurance companies? Well, there wouldn't be a need for insurance companies in a single payer system because the single payer serves the same function as a private insurer; reimbursement administration.
Sounds like capitalism to me.
All a single payer does is reimburse your provider after they treat you.
Getin the ring
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the country should never forgive Obama for that disaster disguised as Health Insurance
The ACA isn't health insurance.
It just establishes a marketplace with a bare minimum number of requirements for each plan sold.
Also, the ACA has a higher approval rating than Trump.
Annual premiums for employer-sponsored family health coverage reached $19,616 this year, up 5% from last year, with workers on average paying $5,547 toward the cost of their coverage. The average deductible among covered workers in a plan with a general annual deductible is $1,573 for single coverage.
https://www.kff.org/health-costs/report/2018-employer-health-benefits-survey/
So to insure you through an employer-provided plan, the cost is $5K to you and $15K to your employer with an additional $1,500 out of your pocket to meet your deductible.
Replacing that with a flat payroll tax eases the fiscal burden on an employer's budget, freeing up more budget to spend on increasing workers' wages.
A business of 50 employees would spend $1M to provide coverage to its workers. That's in addition to the 1.45% they pay for Medicare now.
Robo
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And you think 6-8 % will do the trick, right? What study are you depending on for that information? Link please!
Are you perfectly willing to have a federal government un-elected bureaucrat deciding what care you can get, what drugs you can have instead of you and your doctor?
So it’s really a TAX THE RICH SCAM, Right? Not a dollar amount, but a percentage, correct? Punish the successful for their success and reward the pretenders for their pretending. Hand over to the loafers and self-chosen unemployed somebody else’s money, right? Income redistribution by the gun in the back of government, correct?
Where are the doctors gonna come from? They come to America now to work “FOR PROFIT.” Where will they go when you abolish for profit? Why do you suppose every single payer system on earth has ungodly waiting list?
My network is accepted everywhere. I need no GP referrals! I have every choice that’s in the phone book and on the net! I understand your problem since you have Obamacare exchange junk. Thank you Barrack!
BULLSHIT! How bleeping naive is that? Single Payer operated by Washington DC’s crooks and authoritarians will decide how much care you get, what medications you can have how long you can stay in a hospital and when to pull the plug on your ass and ditto for your family.
I friend will likely never see Single Payer, I’m almost 83 years old. But I hope you are young enough to see it. I think you should move for awhile to a place that has it. How about Canada? Just remember when your waiting and waiting and the government is telling you what care you will get and what medications you can have and that Washington un-elected bureaucrat has ordered the plug pulled on your ass, remember old Robo told ya so!!!!!
Robo
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If you think that's expensive, wait till it's free!
That's not what a single payer does.
And your care is already limited right now by private insurers.