Official: Russia scraps plan to deploy missiles near Poland

Ice Dancer said:
What a stupid response. Having the offer of developing technologies that will create jobs as well as create a need to expand services to serve those workers is a huge opportunity that I am certain Pols and Czchs looked forward to.

Yes, it is.


You really are more of a simpering asshole than I first gave you credit for.
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:D

So you're advocating spending vast amounts of taxpayer dollars on a useless system of defence because of your heartfelt concern for the "Pols" and the "Czchs"?

Here's a great idea. If you feel such an affinity with the "Pols" and the "Czchs" then why not advocate for American investment in their nations by private companies?

Is there any other pointless scheme you'd like to lavish your taxpayers money on?

And i notice you're still not addressing the fundamental pointlessness of the project itself.
 
charver said:
:D

So you're advocating spending vast amounts of taxpayer dollars on a useless system of defence because of your heartfelt concern for the "Pols" and the "Czchs"?

Here's a great idea. If you feel such an affinity with the "Pols" and the "Czchs" then why not advocate for American investment in their nations by private companies?

Is there any other pointless scheme you'd like to lavish your taxpayers money on?

And i notice you're still not addressing the fundamental pointlessness of the project itself.
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I never said it was useless, you did. I implied that I agreed it may not do what we hoped, then again we were still working on the system so it may have. The point was and is, we had an agreement and we broke that and publically humilliated allies with no apparent concessions from Russian leaders. You have failed to ackowledge that it, the missile defense system, was not just about protecting Poland from Russia, but from Iran as well.

Posters like you who paint a shady landscape and call it an argument prove only that you suck at reason.
 
Ice Dancer said:
I never said it was useless, you did. I implied that I agreed it may not do what we hoped, then again we were still working on the system so it may have. The point was and is, we had an agreement and we broke that and publically humilliated allies with no apparent concessions from Russian leaders. You have failed to ackowledge that it, the missile defense system, was not just about protecting Poland from Russia, but from Iran as well.

Posters like you who paint a shady landscape and call it an argument prove only that you suck at reason.
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I'm still not seeing anything even approaching intelligence here.

At least you've refrained from talking about the "Pols" which is something i suppose.

It's always a pleasure conversing with you, ID, as it assures me that, even in a half drunken state i can both out-spell you and out think you without even engaging anything more than a rudimentary thought process.

As i said a little earlier, i'm off to watch some boxing. Promise me you won't get any more stupid than this and i'll sleep like a baby.

Tootles :p
 
charver said:
I'm still not seeing anything even approaching intelligence here.

At least you've refrained from talking about the "Pols" which is something i suppose.

It's always a pleasure conversing with you, ID, as it assures me that, even in a half drunken state i can both out-spell you and out think you without even engaging anything more than a rudimentary thought process.

As i said a little earlier, i'm off to watch some boxing. Promise me you won't get any more stupid than this and i'll sleep like a baby.

Tootles :p
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Yeah, Charver the drunken masturbator is the self appointed arbiter of intelligence... Please do go sleep it off old man and spare us more of your gob drippings.
 
blackascoal said:
MOSCOW (AP) — Russia has scrapped a plan to deploy missiles in a region near Poland after President Obama dumped his predecessor's plan for a U.S. missile defense in Eastern Europe, a Russian deputy defense minister said Saturday.
Vladimir Popovkin told Ekho Moskvy radio that Obama's move has made the deployment of Iskander short-range missiles in the Kaliningrad region unnecessary.

"Reason has prevailed over ambitions," Popovkin said. "Naturally, we will cancel countermeasures which Russia has planned in response."

There had already been signals that Russia would scrap the plan after Obama's move, announced Thursday, but Popovkin's statement is the clearest announcement of it.

Russia staunchly opposed the plan by the former administration of George W. Bush to deploy 10 missile interceptors in Poland and a related radar in the Czech Republic and said if the project went ahead it would respond by deploying the Iskander missiles in its westernmost Baltic Sea region.

Obama's decision to scrap the plan was based largely on a new U.S. intelligence assessment that Iran's effort to build a nuclear-capable long-range missile would take three to five years longer than originally thought, U.S. officials said. The new U.S. missile-defense plan would rely on a network of sensors and interceptor missiles based at sea, on land and in the air as a bulwark against Iranian short- and medium-range missiles.

Medvedev hailed Obama's decision as a "responsible move," but Russian officials have given no indication yet that Moscow could edge closer to the U.S. stance on Iran. Washington is counting on Moscow to help raise pressure on Tehran over its nuclear program.

Obama is to meet with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at the United Nations and the Group of 20 economic summit in the coming week.

Medvedev's predecessor and mentor, Vladimir Putin, who is widely believed to be continuing to call the shots as Russia's prime minister, also praised Obama's decision but challenged the U.S. to do more by canceling Cold War-era restrictions on trade with Russia and facilitating Moscow's entry into the World Trade Organization.

It has remained unclear what behind-the-scenes talks went on between Moscow and Washington before Obama's announcement. Russian officials said they had made no concessions in return.

Medvedev foreign policy adviser Sergei Prikhodko said Friday the move would require the Kremlin to "attentively consider new possibilities opening up for cooperation and interaction," but gave no indication what compromises Moscow could make.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/russia-missiles.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno

A hand for Obama on this ... :hand:
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Thank God for cooler heads prevailing!:clap:
 
Ice Dancer said:
Yeah, Charver the drunken masturbator is the self appointed arbiter of intelligence... Please do go sleep it off old man and spare us more of your gob drippings.
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I see that you've found someone else to share your profound observations about the human condition with, nearly time for another faux apology I fear.
 
Ice Dancer said:
They were not pointless and gave us a huge bargaining chip...which is yet to be seen if anything comes of that.
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They were not just pointless, they were also useless designed primarily to provide more work for Raytheon, Boeing and Co. This is exactly why the EU and Airbus are right to take Boeing to the the WTA over hidden subsidies by the US government to its defence contractors. I would prefer to believe somebody like Ted Postol who actually knows what he is talking about rather than a bunch of ignorant flag waving clowns who believe any old crap served up to them.
 
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Ice Dancer said:
I never said it was useless, you did. I implied that I agreed it may not do what we hoped, then again we were still working on the system so it may have. The point was and is, we had an agreement and we broke that and publically humilliated allies with no apparent concessions from Russian leaders. You have failed to ackowledge that it, the missile defense system, was not just about protecting Poland from Russia, but from Iran as well.

Posters like you who paint a shady landscape and call it an argument prove only that you suck at reason.
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In other words, we have betrayed 2 countries that have helped us, to appease a country who has not. With Obama in this administration, we will be considered weak and at their mercy.
 
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