Oil demand growth is set to significantly slow by 2028 thanks to the use of more EVs.

[Joe Capitalist]

President Joe Biden:
We're investing over $2 billion to modernize our electric grid to be more climate resilient.
That funding will help ensure our electric grid is stronger and that the lights, air conditioning, and internet stay on during heat waves, storms, and other climate events.

God bless President Biden

 

[Lionfish]

President Joe Biden:
We're investing over $2 billion to modernize our electric grid to be more climate resilient.
That funding will help ensure our electric grid is stronger and that the lights, air conditioning, and internet stay on during heat waves, storms, and other climate events.

God bless President Biden

We have given $200 billion to Ukraine. The $2 billion for the grid does nothing.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

day, 07:57 AM
LyinBitch
High Level of a dick head
This message is hidden because LyinBitch is on your ignore list.

 

[Lionfish]

day, 07:57 AM
LyinBitch
High Level of a dick head
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/QUOTE]

Joey wet panties, I appreciate the bump.

 

[Into the Night]

How 'modern-day slavery' in the Congo powers the rechargeable battery economy

"Kara says the mining industry has ravaged the landscape of the DRC. Millions of trees have been cut down, the air around mines is hazy with dust and grit, and the water has been contaminated with toxic effluents from the mining processing. What's more, he says, "Cobalt is toxic to touch and breathe — and there are hundreds of thousands of poor Congolese people touching and breathing it day in and day out. Young mothers with babies strapped to their backs, all breathing in this toxic cobalt dust."

Cobalt is, of course, mined in sane conditions in other countries, but the high demand for cobalt to supply the Li-ion battery manufacturing is what keeps this horror going.

 

[Into the Night]

Joey wets panties,

Used EV prices plunge, unsold new EVs languish on lots

Are EV deniers right? Is the world just not ready for the EV-olution? Though the federal government is supporting an electric-vehicle future and several automakers have made pledges to go all-electric by such-and-such date, the general public doesn’t seem to be buying it. Literally. Recent reports from iSeeCars.com and Axios tell an interesting story of plunging EV prices and unsold cars piling up on dealer lots.

This is one factor driving the price of EVs down. The other is, of course, government subsidies (communism). EVs just cannot survive in the open market.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I've noticed no appreciable reduction in my need for olive oil.
One can't substitute butter in every recipe.

 

[RB 60]

I've noticed no appreciable reduction in my need for olive oil.
One can't substitute butter in every recipe.

Olive oil might be just what you need to slip into your Corvette...

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Olive oil might be just what you need to slip into your Corvette...

I was going with Pam, but the kids said that spray cans were bad for the environment.

Our son is enjoying the Corvette now.

I got my money's worth with it. No regrets.

 

[RB 60]

I was going with Pam, but the kids said that spray cans were bad for the environment.

Our son is enjoying the Corvette now.

I got my money's worth with it. No regrets.

I use one of these for vinegar for french fries.

I'd recommend using 10W-30, anything heavier might clog it up.

At least someone you know is using and caring for it.

I haven't got my money's worth out of the Cobra yet,
but I'll soon have to empty the vinegar and add some oil.
It's getting harder to get in and out every year.

 

[Into the Night]

Some of this is true, some is not.

Fiberglass isn't toxic.

It is true that turbine blades (as well as the machine itself!) degrade over time, with the blades themselves taking the brunt of it. Exposure to UV (which breaks down all plastics), snow and ice, a wide temperature variation due to weather and seasonal changes). Catastrophic failure of one of these machines can be from a variety of causes:

* operating the machine with insufficient lubrication (as you mentioned), resulting in fire, and catastrophic failure of the blades as well.
* governor failure resulting in machine overspeed (failure to feather the blades in winds too high for machine tolerance, resulting in catastrophic breakup of the blades.
* operating the machine in icing conditions. This results in blade stall that is asymmetric, and blades spinning with extra weight and stress that is also asymmetric, resulting in catastrophic failure of the blades.

Catastrophic failure of the blades has been known to throw debris up to a mile away. The entire machine including the tower is also destroyed.

While fiberglass isn't toxic, the large size of these blades (even as debris!) means you have to cut them up (a laborious process) to dispose of them in landfills. Due to the size of the debris, only a few landfills can accept them.

 

[Into the Night]

None of this is true.

EVs use a computer to run the main drive train. That's no different than a FADEC gasoline car.
While some have incorporated a 'kill switch' in their systems (to be used by police to prevent high speed chases), the circuit is easily overridden and most cars do not have such a kill switch. Not even EVs.

The dollar is already digital currency. The paper dollars you see are only a small portion of the dollars running around today. Since 2021 when Biden was first installed to today, inflation (devaluation of the dollar) is approx 32%. This figure is from the US Treasury. This is a direct result of printing so many dollars to try to keep the government party rolling right along. The 'federal' government is, however, quite broke. They cannot pay back the debt (now over $32 trillion). Just SERVICING this debt (not paying it back) will soon become a larger budget item than the entire military budget.

That doesn't like control to me! They are LOSING control. Faith in the dollar is waning.

Other digital currencies exist as well, such as Bitcoin2. The government has NO control over Bitcoin2. They can try to outlaw it, but if people want to use it, there is really nothing the government can do about it.

So, none of your meme is true.

 

[Into the Night]

President Joe Biden:
We're investing over $2 billion to modernize our electric grid to be more climate resilient.
That funding will help ensure our electric grid is stronger and that the lights, air conditioning, and internet stay on during heat waves, storms, and other climate events.

God bless President Biden

There is no such thing as 'climate resilient'. There is no such thing as a 'climate event'.
Climate has no temperature, no precipitation, no cloud cover, no value of any kind.

$2 billion is literally a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of modernizing electrical interconnects (the grid) to handle the additional current requirements of government mandated EVs.
A LOT of new power stations will be required too. This trickle of funding does nothing about building new plants or operating them.

You're an idiot. So is Biden.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Joey wets panties,

Used EV prices plunge, unsold new EVs languish on lots

Are EV deniers right? Is the world just not ready for the EV-olution? Though the federal government is supporting an electric-vehicle future and several automakers have made pledges to go all-electric by such-and-such date, the general public doesn’t seem to be buying it. Literally. Recent reports from iSeeCars.com and Axios tell an interesting story of plunging EV prices and unsold cars piling up on dealer lots.

The two largest roadblocks for the majority of the US market to an EV are:

1. Cost. People look at how expensive they are to buy, insure, maintain, etc., compared to ICE vehicles and they vote with their wallet against EV's.

2. Infrastructure. This is fast becoming a show stopper for the EV market. The inconvenience and cost of charging them. For those living in apartments, rentals, etc., there is little option to charge at 'home.' Landlords see no value added in putting in charging stations while renters would balk at having their rent raised to pay for them. Public charging is currently a very hit and miss affair. About a quarter of available stations are unusable at any time due to maintenance issues or vandalism. Charging time is another issue that really can't be gotten around. Not only is it much longer than filling your car with gasoline, but there is the potential wait time for a station to become available to even charge.

For most people in the US, EV's are a non-starter. They aren't even looking at one as a possibility. They might be viable in smaller nations, but they just don't fit America for the most part.

That's why the Left in government has opted to force them on everyone because they know that is going to be the only way to enact their religious dogma on the public.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

I've noticed no appreciable reduction in my need for olive oil.
One can't substitute butter in every recipe.

I've electrified my olive oil. Extra Virgin of course.

 

[Lionfish]

Some of this is true, some is not.

Fiberglass isn't toxic.

It is true that turbine blades (as well as the machine itself!) degrade over time, with the blades themselves taking the brunt of it. Exposure to UV (which breaks down all plastics), snow and ice, a wide temperature variation due to weather and seasonal changes). Catastrophic failure of one of these machines can be from a variety of causes:

* operating the machine with insufficient lubrication (as you mentioned), resulting in fire, and catastrophic failure of the blades as well.
* governor failure resulting in machine overspeed (failure to feather the blades in winds too high for machine tolerance, resulting in catastrophic breakup of the blades.
* operating the machine in icing conditions. This results in blade stall that is asymmetric, and blades spinning with extra weight and stress that is also asymmetric, resulting in catastrophic failure of the blades.

Catastrophic failure of the blades has been known to throw debris up to a mile away. The entire machine including the tower is also destroyed.

While fiberglass isn't toxic, the large size of these blades (even as debris!) means you have to cut them up (a laborious process) to dispose of them in landfills. Due to the size of the debris, only a few landfills can accept them.

 

[Nordberg]

The two largest roadblocks for the majority of the US market to an EV are:

1. Cost. People look at how expensive they are to buy, insure, maintain, etc., compared to ICE vehicles and they vote with their wallet against EV's.

2. Infrastructure. This is fast becoming a show stopper for the EV market. The inconvenience and cost of charging them. For those living in apartments, rentals, etc., there is little option to charge at 'home.' Landlords see no value added in putting in charging stations while renters would balk at having their rent raised to pay for them. Public charging is currently a very hit and miss affair. About a quarter of available stations are unusable at any time due to maintenance issues or vandalism. Charging time is another issue that really can't be gotten around. Not only is it much longer than filling your car with gasoline, but there is the potential wait time for a station to become available to even charge.

For most people in the US, EV's are a non-starter. They aren't even looking at one as a possibility. They might be viable in smaller nations, but they just don't fit America for the most part.

That's why the Left in government has opted to force them on everyone because they know that is going to be the only way to enact their religious dogma on the public.

They are not more expensive. You can buy EVs a lot cheaper than ICEs. The infrastructure is a garage with an electrical socket.

 

[Truth Detector]

Oil demand growth is set to significantly slow by 2028.

According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), the use of oil for transport will go into decline after 2026 thanks to the use of more electric vehicles, an increase in biofuels, and reduced consumption.

It predicted on Wednesday that demand growth in China is also forecast to slow from next year onwards, particularly as the rebound in demand after the pandemic subsides.
“The downturn in advanced economies renders the global outlook even more dependent on China’s post-COVID pandemic reopening being able to maintain its early momentum, which should eventually lift global trade and manufacturing,” the agency said,
It highlighted that Beijing’s “pent-up” consumption will peak mid-2023 after a 1.5 million-barrels-per-day rebound but lose momentum to just an average 290,000 barrels per day year-on-year from 2024 to 2028.
However, overall consumption is expected to be supported by strong petrochemicals demand, its new medium-term report said. Consumption in 2024 will grow at half the rate seen in the prior two years, it added.
Read more: FTSE 100: Shell to cut spending and raise dividends
Higher prices, and concerns about security of supply after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, will also speed the shift towards cleaner energy technologies and away from fossil fuels.
The IEA has forecast that global oil demand will rise by 6% between 2022 and 2028 to reach 105.7 million barrels per day, amid robust demand from the petrochemical and aviation sectors.
But annual demand growth is expected to shrink from 2.4 million barrels per day this year, to just 0.4 million per day in 2028.
“The shift to a clean energy economy is picking up pace, with a peak in global oil demand in sight before the end of this decade as electric vehicles, energy efficiency and other technologies advance,” IEA executive director Fatih Birol said.
She added that oil producers need to pay “careful attention to the gathering pace of change” and calibrate their investment decisions accordingly, to “ensure an orderly transition.”

 

[T. A. Gardner]

They are not more expensive. You can buy EVs a lot cheaper than ICEs. The infrastructure is a garage with an electrical socket.

Study Calculates EVs Have Higher 'Real World Refueling Cost' Than Gas Vehicles
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38043667/study-electric-cars-higher-cost-questions/

They cost more than comparable ICE vehicles:
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/electric-car-prices

Are EVs Worth It? We Compare the Long-Term Costs of Electric Cars
Spending less on fuel doesn’t always mean lower cost of ownership.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/are-electric-cars-worth-it-long-term-value/

As for charging:

To charge an EV with a 120 VAC outlet to just 30 KWH, a small fraction of most EV's capacity takes 6 hours. That also doesn't show how someone living in an apartment could charge their car at all.

 

[Lionfish]

They are not more expensive. You can buy EVs a lot cheaper than ICEs. The infrastructure is a garage with an electrical socket.

An EV is just a car with it's exhaust pipe in a different location.