Origin of Life

I will add something to this discussion.

Notice how same/similar the galaxies and star systems are? They even have separate classifications for them with names.

If they were developed the same way, it stands to reason that individual planets would be developed the same way.
 
See this? Evolution isn't limited to life.

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Ever seen the Pleiades and various nebulae? Those stars there are newborn stars.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
does it make you sad that God lets Satan do whatever he wants with people like you?......
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What about all the Christian church groups who've died when things happen like their van load of passengers lost control on the interstate, crossed the median and slammed head on into a semi tractor-trailer. Or a semi crossed the median and slammed into them. Or they veered off the shoulder and rolled several times?

Or all the Christians who've died in airplane crashes?

Do you really think the claim of being a Christian protects people?

:palm:
 
Cypress said:
I currently lean towards number two, but keep an open mind.
It would be nice if we had more intel on emergence: the transition from non-life to life. There is zero chance something as mind boggling complex as even a single eukaryotic cell just appeared on the scene without an incredible sequence of interim events. Unless we were seeded from another planetary body.
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Extremely rare seems most likely given current results.

Oddly, this article popped up that human beings may be late comers to the Life Party.

https://www.mic.com/p/the-milky-way...ivilizations-according-to-physicists-53931796
The Milky Way is probably full of dead alien civilizations, according to physicists
....The paper, which is a preprint and awaiting peer review, amounts to an update to the Drake equation, a probabilistic model used to estimate the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy developed in 1961 by astronomer and astrophysicist Frank Drake. Using modern astronomy and statistical modeling techniques, a team of physicists from the California Institute of Technology were able to identify different factors that would point to the potential existence of extraterrestrial life. Using research conducted in recent years, driven largely by discoveries made possible thanks to the Hubble Space Telescope and Kepler Space telescope, the scientists were able to examine conditions within the galaxy that could result in alien civilizations. That includes factors like sunlike stars near Earthlike planets, frequency of supernovas, and the time necessary for intelligent life to develop under the right conditions. Perhaps most importantly, they took into consideration the tendency of advanced civilizations to experience self-annihilation. And as it turns out, any alien life that came before us likely gave into that tendency long before we showed up on the scene....
 
AProudLefty said:
I will add something to this discussion.

Notice how same/similar the galaxies and star systems are? They even have separate classifications for them with names.

If they were developed the same way, it stands to reason that individual planets would be developed the same way.
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an interesting factoid: we just learned in the past decade we live in a bar galaxy, not the classic spiral galaxy.

I maintain that one of the most iconic images of 21st century science is that sky map of the cosmic background microwave radiation. For some weird reason the diffusion of energy in the first 400,000 years after the big bang resulted in tiny variations in energy density, and that is apparently what gave birth to the galaxies, star systems, and intergalatic voids we currently see in the observable universe.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Extremely rare seems most likely given current results.

Oddly, this article popped up that human beings may be late comers to the Life Party.

https://www.mic.com/p/the-milky-way...ivilizations-according-to-physicists-53931796
The Milky Way is probably full of dead alien civilizations, according to physicists
....The paper, which is a preprint and awaiting peer review, amounts to an update to the Drake equation, a probabilistic model used to estimate the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy developed in 1961 by astronomer and astrophysicist Frank Drake. Using modern astronomy and statistical modeling techniques, a team of physicists from the California Institute of Technology were able to identify different factors that would point to the potential existence of extraterrestrial life. Using research conducted in recent years, driven largely by discoveries made possible thanks to the Hubble Space Telescope and Kepler Space telescope, the scientists were able to examine conditions within the galaxy that could result in alien civilizations. That includes factors like sunlike stars near Earthlike planets, frequency of supernovas, and the time necessary for intelligent life to develop under the right conditions. Perhaps most importantly, they took into consideration the tendency of advanced civilizations to experience self-annihilation. And as it turns out, any alien life that came before us likely gave into that tendency long before we showed up on the scene....
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Good to see they update the Drake equation. That thing was really nothing more than a wild assed guess
 
Here's a simulation. Do you notice the same patterns? After you finish a bath, what do you do? Unplug and watch the swirly going down like toilet. That's what it is.

 
Dutch Uncle said:
Extremely rare seems most likely given current results.

Oddly, this article popped up that human beings may be late comers to the Life Party.

https://www.mic.com/p/the-milky-way...ivilizations-according-to-physicists-53931796
The Milky Way is probably full of dead alien civilizations, according to physicists
....The paper, which is a preprint and awaiting peer review, amounts to an update to the Drake equation, a probabilistic model used to estimate the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy developed in 1961 by astronomer and astrophysicist Frank Drake. Using modern astronomy and statistical modeling techniques, a team of physicists from the California Institute of Technology were able to identify different factors that would point to the potential existence of extraterrestrial life. Using research conducted in recent years, driven largely by discoveries made possible thanks to the Hubble Space Telescope and Kepler Space telescope, the scientists were able to examine conditions within the galaxy that could result in alien civilizations. That includes factors like sunlike stars near Earthlike planets, frequency of supernovas, and the time necessary for intelligent life to develop under the right conditions. Perhaps most importantly, they took into consideration the tendency of advanced civilizations to experience self-annihilation. And as it turns out, any alien life that came before us likely gave into that tendency long before we showed up on the scene....
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Uncle Dutch, do you think there were floaters like some people leave in their toilets in our galaxy? I think Jupiter and Saturn are floaters, difficult to flush.
 
Cypress said:
I currently lean towards number two, but keep an open mind.
It would be nice if we had more intel on emergence: the transition from non-life to life. There is zero chance something as mind boggling complex as even a single eukaryotic cell just appeared on the scene without an incredible sequence of interim events. Unless we were seeded from another planetary body.
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I'm going with #3. If you accept the Big Bang then all of the building blocks were sent out in all directions so there should be nothing unique about life on Earth.
 
Cypress said:
I currently lean towards number two, but keep an open mind.
It would be nice if we had more intel on emergence: the transition from non-life to life. There is zero chance something as mind boggling complex as even a single eukaryotic cell just appeared on the scene without an incredible sequence of interim events. Unless we were seeded from another planetary body.
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4. The origin of life was consistent with chemistry and physics and helped by an outside intelligent agent acting to move it along.

This variant is equally plausible simply because we have not found proof that it cannot have happened, at least as it applies to life on this planet. Now, maybe that doesn't apply to the origin of the first lifeform, but the entire universe is rather a large place so...
 
Cypress said:
I currently lean towards number two, but keep an open mind.
It would be nice if we had more intel on emergence: the transition from non-life to life. There is zero chance something as mind boggling complex as even a single eukaryotic cell just appeared on the scene without an incredible sequence of interim events. Unless we were seeded from another planetary body.
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1. Given the right circumstances it is possible for life to evolve from non life . We are proof of that.
2. Quantum mechanics tells us that (most) anything is possible no matter how small the probability.
3. If you consider time to be infinite then there is an infinite amount of time for the right circumstances to occur for life to evolve from non life again. Conversely it is probable we are not the first form of life to have evolved from non life given that the past is infinite.
4. If you consider the universe to be infinite then there’s an infinite number of possibilities for the right circumstances to have occurred for there to be life elsewhere presently.
That’s my take on it.
:dunno:
 
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