Pat Toomey: Background Checks Died Because GOP Didn't Want To Help Obama

Howey said:
I can't think of any other "stupid idea" supported by over 90% of the American people that's been shot down by Congress. Can you?
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A statement and a question:
The way the left presents this statistic, " supported by over 90% of the American people" causes low information people(i.e. the lefties)to believe that there is NO background check required when purchasing a firearm. This is incorrect, and it is why, when I discuss this topic with my godless communist friends, I tell them that I am NOT in favor of background checks. This is the only way I can have any kind of discussion with them. The key word you always leave out of the topic is "ENHANCED". Ask that same 90% if they support "ENHANCED" background checks, and the percentage is going to drop fast. Included in that 90% is going to be a lot of gun owners that just don't trust the gun grabbers. Therein lies my question(a two-parter): First, just what IS this ENHANCED background check? And second, What does it accomplish that the current system does not?
 
Bfgrn said:
She could have a restraining order issued. She could go to a gun dealer to buy the weapon. BUT, you gun lickers never consider what REALLY happens to women with guns...

Fla. mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots
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YuuuuOuuuuh.....a restraining order....or she post a sign in her yard, "Gun Free Zone"....or how about on the front door, "No Violence Allowed"......

Yeah, thats gonna work......good thinking BigFoolgrn....
 
maineman said:
many states refuse convicted felons who have served their sentences from ever VOTING.... but you think buying a gun is a more crucial right than VOTING?
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Laws against felons having possession of a firearm are already on the books, aren't they....not that having such a law actually works.....

but then, thats the point we've been trying to get through those thick liberal skulls without success....
 
NOVA said:
Laws against felons having possession of a firearm are already on the books, aren't they....not that having such a law actually works.....

but then, thats the point we've been trying to get through those thick liberal skulls without success....
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I guess you missed the point of STY's post that I was replying to. WHy am I not surprised?
 
Skeleton Jelly said:
she should absolutely be allowed to potentially shoot her husband. You are a traitor, you speak traitorous words. Move to another country if this upsets you so much.
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I agree. If her husband poses a threat to her....even if she gets a PFA order against him....the police are not there 24/7 to watch over her. If the husband is an abuser, he's a power tripper....He's angry and wants revenge that his "property" had the nerve to leave him.

I can't think of a BETTER reason to have a gun for personal protection.
 
Darla said:
Nah. It's everywhere. Anyone who cares about violence against women already knows the stats. I wouldn't bother with you rodents. Dead serious.
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Darla...it may be true that many women die at the hands of an abuser with a gun. PFA's don't stop bullets. Cops can't get to a home faster than a bullet.

I'm sorry...but I believe that a person(be it male or female) with a legitimate threat to their lives or safety is a good reason for personal protection.

Now...stockpiling weapons for an imagined war between liberals and Conservatives is just batshit crazy...

Obviously someone in the former scenario should be required to go through safety training and live fire practice so they are familiar with the weapon.
 
NOVA said:
How does a pinhead get, "If she is contemplating shooting her husband,"....out of STY's post above...????



Never mind....the fact that Bfgrn IS a pinhead is explanation enough.
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I will help you pea brain, clearly there is not an adult in the room with you...

Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou
so lets say that an abused wife is trying to leave her abusive cop husband, but in her terror she wants to buy a gun for her safety but has to fill out her background check paperwork at the department her abusive husband works for?
 
callinectes said:
A statement and a question:
The way the left presents this statistic, " supported by over 90% of the American people" causes low information people(i.e. the lefties)to believe that there is NO background check required when purchasing a firearm. This is incorrect, and it is why, when I discuss this topic with my godless communist friends, I tell them that I am NOT in favor of background checks. This is the only way I can have any kind of discussion with them. The key word you always leave out of the topic is "ENHANCED". Ask that same 90% if they support "ENHANCED" background checks, and the percentage is going to drop fast. Included in that 90% is going to be a lot of gun owners that just don't trust the gun grabbers. Therein lies my question(a two-parter): First, just what IS this ENHANCED background check? And second, What does it accomplish that the current system does not?
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That's not true. I've seen it very well explained on all the major networks. The enhanced checks would be extended to any advertised private sale. What would not be included is family and friends giving or selling to one another. Basically... if you advertise your weapon for sale to the general public a background check would be completed.... that includes private internet sales, gun show sales, your local paper, etc..I'm not sure about estate auctions though...

It also included funding for better mental health screenings and treatment.
 
Bfgrn said:
I will help you pea brain, clearly there is not an adult in the room with you...

Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou
so lets say that an abused wife is trying to leave her abusive cop husband, but in her terror she wants to buy a gun for her safety but has to fill out her background check paperwork at the department her abusive husband works for?
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But...and again....sorry...the key part to STY's paragraph is "for her safety"....Christ....I can't believe I'm defending STY.
 
maineman said:
many states refuse convicted felons who have served their sentences from ever VOTING.... but you think buying a gun is a more crucial right than VOTING?
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silly you. MY opinion is that anyone released from serving their sentence should have ALL of their rights re-instated.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
that just means that you're coming around :clink:
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I don't think so.....I hold the same beliefs that I always have.... it's just that people are very quick to pigeonhole others on message boards.

Make no mistake....I am a liberal....primarily when it comes to labor. I've worked hard all my life.... since I was 14....I am now 48....and I don't think it's right for a person to be working full time and not being able to live in this country without government assistance to feed their kids.

This is my biggest peeve against conservatives....they excuse the inexcusable from big business and Wall Street, but won't forgive a 15 year old, scared to death pregnant girl.
 
Bfgrn said:
Come on, we don't write laws based on anecdotal fairy tales...what nonsense. If she is contemplating shooting her husband, she SHOULDN'T be allowed to buy a gun. There are LEGAL avenues she can use to secure protection.
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Where did you read "contemplating"?
 
Bfgrn said:
She could have a restraining order issued. She could go to a gun dealer to buy the weapon. BUT, you gun lickers never consider what REALLY happens to women with guns...

Fla. mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots
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So a restraining order will protect her??!!

Only if she wraps a gun in it, when she shoots the abusers ass.

There's also the part about the abuse being "alleged".
OH-WAIT; because the accusation was made by a women, it just has to be true.
 
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USFREEDOM911 said:
So a restraining order will protect her??!!

Only if she wraps a gun in it, when she shoots the abusers ass.

There's also the part about the abuse being "alleged".
OH-WAIT; because the accusation was made by a women, it just has to be true.
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What a moron!

USFREEDOM911 said:
Where did you read "contemplating"?
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The VERY NEXT text from this pea brain...

USFREEDOM911 said:
Only if she wraps a gun in it, when she shoots the abusers ass.
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:guninmouth:
 
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