Private industry is not always the superior solution.

[Arks&sparka]

Private industry is not always the superior solution:

There are people that believe “government’s the problem rather than solution. I heard Milton Friedman state that half of what our federal government’s spending is wasted. A great proportion of all other than federal spending, (including commercial and personal spending) is also “wasted”.

We, as individuals generally believe that governments’ spending for what we approve of, to the extent that’s spent in manners that we approve of, is justifiable; all other governments’ spending is less than justifiable. That’s politics. There are extremely few items of governments expense that are not controversial. Governments’ lines of expenses are criticized or subject to objections by some aggregate individuals or groups. Political disagreement occurs more so in democracies but also occurs within nations of only one political party or of extremely few leaders.

Outsourcing some specific government functions would be contrary to the public’s interest. There are some government functions that can be outsourced, but government rather than private industry provides them in a superior manner. Many other nations provide their population Wi-Fi, medical insurance, railroads and other public transportation at lesser expense and in a manner superior to that of the United States. It’s nonsense to contend that private industry does or will perform every function in a manner superior to government.

Respectfully, Supposn

Agreed private Enterprise isn't always the solution in cases like military, police and I think things would be better if prisons were not probably operated.

But in many cases government isn't the answer. Things like the post office, the TSA, and public education are embarrassments.

 

[gfm7175]

Those protests are coming from a small group of malcontents who fail to understand the health consequences of their acts,

"Safer at home" orders do not stop or kill a virus. "Safer at home" orders do not even prevent people from contracting viruses.

did you notice yesterday, along with the Nazi flags and weapons,

What Nazi flags? What weapons? What are you even talking about?

that people deliberately avoided the social distancing norms

Six foot separation does not stop or kill a virus. Social distancing is anything BUT a "norm". "Safer at home" is simply a voluntary (or otherwise lightly enforced) form of house arrest. People are ever increasingly growing sick of it. They want to go to work again. They want to earn money again.

It's supposed to be a rather nice day tomorrow here in my part of Wisconsin. I'm going to go out hiking (at a location that King Evers is still allowing one to go hiking at) and enjoy life. Why live life in fear over a simple flu virus?

and recommended face masks?

A face mask does not stop or kill a virus.

"Two-thirds of Americans worry states will lift restrictions on public activity too quickly"
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/p...wo-thirds-of-americans-worry-states-will-lift

I'm aware that people are irrationally afraid of a simple flu virus. Your point??

 

[gfm7175]

People are leaving them for that too. They are moving to alternate sites that provide similar services that don't censor.

Yup, censorship is one of several reasons why I deleted my Facebook account many years ago. I haven't missed using it one bit. I'd much rather talk to people face to face, and do make use of calling and texting otherwise.

I assume, from this statement, that you have never read any of Orwell's material.

I'm making the same assumption about that poster. The Orwell material that I have read (Animal Farm and 1984) are both very much about government.

 

[Into the Night]

Canada lives longer, and pays about half of what we do. LMFAO.

Life expectancy has nothing to do with healthcare. It has much more to do with lifestyles and genetics.
Canada pays more than we do. You are AGAIN forgetting all the high taxes you pay to have it's failed healthcare system. You pay AGAIN to get any decent healthcare at all, because the government stuff isn't available on a practical level.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Life expectancy has nothing to do with healthcare. It has much more to do with lifestyles and genetics.
Canada pays more than we do. You are AGAIN forgetting all the high taxes you pay to have it's failed healthcare system. You pay AGAIN to get any decent healthcare at all, because the government stuff isn't available on a practical level.

No, Canada's government pays slightly less than ours on healthcare.

When you account for government + out of pocket costs, Canada pays about half of what we do.

Oh, genetics?

Why is it Canada is ethnically very similar, but lives longer?

For example, even when you exclude Blacks & Latinos.

Whites mostly of British & German roots in Canada are living longer than Whites mostly of British & German roots in the USA.

Because, it's bull.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Canadians live longer. And, they pay a lot less than half. The Canadian government itself pays half of what our government pays. But, we also pay many billions of dollars outside of government. And, we still have people going untreated.

You're a moron, so I don't mean to imply anything else by sort of agreeing with you. It takes another moron to call American healthcare the best, when it costs two to ten times what other countries pay for the same medical care. And, when their life expectancy is often longer than ours.

The problem isn't with the free market. Very much the opposite. It takes a moron to think our medical system is in any way representative of a free market.

So, what's your solution?
To let people die from lack of healthcare?

Seems pretty senseless to me.

Libertarianism is even slightly worse than Communism if you ask me.

 

[Into the Night]

Amazon is a nightmare, can we destroy them already?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/25/...ment-centers-productivity-firing-terminations

The documents also show a deeply automated tracking and termination process. “Amazon’s system tracks the rates of each individual associate’s productivity,” according to the letter, “and automatically generates any warnings or terminations regarding quality or productivity without input from supervisors.” (Amazon says supervisors are able to override the process.)

“THEY’RE MONITORED AND SUPERVISED BY ROBOTS.”
Critics see the system as a machine that only sees numbers, not people. “One of the things that we hear consistently from workers is that they are treated like robots in effect because they’re monitored and supervised by these automated systems,” Mitchell says. “They’re monitored and supervised by robots.”

Amazon is not a nightmare, at least to most people. Most jobs have productivity monitoring, either human or augmented by computers. I've been to the fulfillment centers. You are spewing union propaganda.
Example: a poker dealer in Las Vegas is required to deal at least 60 hands per hour. That's one minute per hand. Anything less and they get fired (Yes, poker players do complete the hand in less than a minute oftentimes). Data entry personnel are required to have a minimum typing speed. This includes customer service folks working phones. Oh, and custom service folks are required to answer a minimum number of phone calls per hour. Drive a taxi? You are required to have a minimum number of revenue miles per day (that's driving with a paying passenger). The drop meter is monitoring you, and the taxi is equipped with GPS so the company knows where it's going. Buses also have GPS so the bus system knows where each and every bus is, and you are monitored by that system for on-time arrival at each stop.

It is obvious you are not about customer service. You are part of the problem.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Amazon is not a nightmare, at least to most people. Most jobs have productivity monitoring, either human or augmented by computers. I've been to the fulfillment centers. You are spewing union propaganda.
Example: a poker dealer in Las Vegas is required to deal at least 60 hands per hour. That's one minute per hand. Anything less and they get fired (Yes, poker players do complete the hand in less than a minute oftentimes). Data entry personnel are required to have a minimum typing speed. This includes customer service folks working phones. Oh, and custom service folks are required to answer a minimum number of phone calls per hour. Drive a taxi? You are required to have a minimum number of revenue miles per day (that's driving with a paying passenger). The drop meter is monitoring you, and the taxi is equipped with GPS so the company knows where it's going. Buses also have GPS so the bus system knows where each and every bus is, and you are monitored by that system for on-time arrival at each stop.

It is obvious you are not about customer service. You are part of the problem.

You are spewing Libertarian propaganda.

You Capitalists are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Amazon uses draconian like measures.

Amazon kills jobs.

Amazon has got to go.

 

[Into the Night]

Canadians live longer. And, they pay a lot less than half. The Canadian government itself pays half of what our government pays. But, we also pay many billions of dollars outside of government. And, we still have people going untreated.

You're a moron, so I don't mean to imply anything else by sort of agreeing with you. It takes another moron to call American healthcare the best, when it costs two to ten times what other countries pay for the same medical care. And, when their life expectancy is often longer than ours.

The problem isn't with the free market. Very much the opposite. It takes a moron to think our medical system is in any way representative of a free market.

The population of Canada is 1/10th that of the United States too. So you say the Canadian government is paying HALF of what U.S. citizens pay for their healthcare??? Sounds like a lousy deal to me! Our government does not pay for healthcare, other than running veteran and military hospitals and clinics.

You are making up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.

 

[BattleofHodow]

The population of Canada is 1/10th that of the United States too. So you say the Canadian government is paying HALF of what U.S. citizens pay for their healthcare??? Sounds like a lousy deal to me! Our government does not pay for healthcare, other than running veteran and military hospitals and clinics.

You are making up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.

I mean half in per capita terms.

More like you promote the Ayn Rand fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

So, what's your solution?
To let people die from lack of healthcare?

Seems pretty senseless to me.

Libertarianism is even slightly worse than Communism if you ask me.

Did you know that everyone in the U.S. has access to healthcare? Apparently you don't.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Did you know that everyone in the U.S. has access to healthcare? Apparently you don't.

Reread what he said.

He said WE DO NOT have the free market system of healthcare.

AKA, that people should basically get what they get, or else die from lack of healthcare.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Canadians live longer. And, they pay a lot less than half. The Canadian government itself pays half of what our government pays. But, we also pay many billions of dollars outside of government. And, we still have people going untreated.

You're a moron, so I don't mean to imply anything else by sort of agreeing with you. It takes another moron to call American healthcare the best, when it costs two to ten times what other countries pay for the same medical care. And, when their life expectancy is often longer than ours.

The problem isn't with the free market. Very much the opposite. It takes a moron to think our medical system is in any way representative of a free market.

As someone studying Art Therapy in college.

As someone who has interned at programs dealing with mental health.

As someone who has been in programs for mental health for PTSD treatments.

I'd take Libertarianism as genocide towards the mentally ill.

Basically, they depend on Social Security Disability to live, and Medicaid to get mental health treatments like groups & medications

Otherwise, you'd have a bunch of mentally ill on the streets, talking to themselves, and dying on the street corner.
(The kicker, is you & your ilk would probably complain about that too)

 

[Supposn]

Did you know that everyone in the U.S. has access to healthcare? Apparently you don't.

Into the Night, unless medical care is affordable, it isn’t accessible care. Anyone believing otherwise is a fool.
An act’s title doesn’t always accurately describe the act’s performance. the “Patient’s Protection and affordable Care Act” would more accurately describe the as the “PP & Generally Less Unaffordable Care Act”.
Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Bobb]

The population of Canada is 1/10th that of the United States too. So you say the Canadian government is paying HALF of what U.S. citizens pay for their healthcare??? Sounds like a lousy deal to me! Our government does not pay for healthcare, other than running veteran and military hospitals and clinics.

You are making up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.

You are a fcking moron. The Canadian government pays half of what the US government pays, per capita. Canadian consumers have "free" healthcare while tens of millions of Americans face financial hardship or go untreated because of the cost of medical care.

 

[Into the Night]

You are spewing Libertarian propaganda.

No, you are spewing hate.

You Capitalists are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Capitalism is not a problem.

Amazon uses draconian like measures.

Amazon is not Draco nor a dragon. If people don't want to work there, they don't have to. However, people WANT to work for Amazon.

Amazon kills jobs.

Amazon creates jobs, just like any company. In addition, there are new jobs and companies opening up that specialize in cloud programming, using AWS as their primary cloud.

Amazon has got to go.

You don't get to decide Amazon's fate. You are not the king. If you don't like Amazon, don't buy anything through them, and don't use any of their products (such as the Alexa service, or anything else using the AWS cloud).

Amazon is successful because they provide services that people want and are willing to pay for.

 

[Into the Night]

I mean half in per capita terms.

More like you promote the Ayn Rand fallacy.

Changing your random number, eh?

 

[BattleofHodow]

No, you are spewing hate.

Capitalism is not a problem.

Amazon is not Draco nor a dragon. If people don't want to work there, they don't have to. However, people WANT to work for Amazon.

Amazon creates jobs, just like any company. In addition, there are new jobs and companies opening up that specialize in cloud programming, using AWS as their primary cloud.

You don't get to decide Amazon's fate. You are not the king. If you don't like Amazon, don't buy anything through them, and don't use any of their products (such as the Alexa service, or anything else using the AWS cloud).

Amazon is successful because they provide services that people want and are willing to pay for.

Amazon has killed millions of jobs, and treats employees like cattle.

 

[Into the Night]

Reread what he said.

I don't care what he said. I don't care who the 'he' is. Stealing arguments from others and using them as your own is not going to work.

He said WE DO NOT have the free market system of healthcare.

We do have a free market for healthcare. I can go to any clinic or doctor of my choice that offers the services I want and the price I'm willing to pay, and obtain them.

AKA, that people should basically get what they get, or else die from lack of healthcare.

People get what they get. In Canada, what they get from government healthcare is minimal, at best. Normally they get nothing. That's why they go to the 'gray' market to obtain their healthcare, or even come to the United States for it.

Government healthcare in Canada has failed.

 

[Into the Night]

As someone studying Art Therapy in college.

Ah. There's your problem. You are uneducated.

As someone who has interned at programs dealing with mental health.

Means nothing.

As someone who has been in programs for mental health for PTSD treatments.

So you are mentally ill?

I'd take Libertarianism as genocide towards the mentally ill.

Paranoia. Bigotry.

Basically, they depend on Social Security Disability to live, and Medicaid to get mental health treatments like groups & medications

And they have it. So? Since you apparently depend on the quackery called 'pschiatry', you have your own problems to deal with.

Otherwise, you'd have a bunch of mentally ill on the streets, talking to themselves, and dying on the street corner.

They ARE on the streets, talking to themselves, and dying on a street corner. They are in Canada too.

(The kicker, is you & your ilk would probably complain about that too)

Yup. I do. Cities like San Francisco, L.A., Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver, B.C. have a sanitation problem. All of these cities contain homeless, many of them mentally ill and often on drugs, and harboring disease and filth.

All of these cities are run by liberals, not libertarians. Don't you think the liberals have a lot of explaining to do?