Prostitution........The Next Libertarian Debate

Damocles said:
People just understand your history. In previous threads when others actually introduced facts you ignored the facts and proceeded to repeat what was clearly delineated by the actual facts to be your unsupported opinion as "facts" that supposedly supported an obvious straw man.

You were actually losing to your own straw man, yet felt self-congratulatory. It was like watching a train wreck. I'm sure it will happen here as well.

You measure risk and reward as the sole factors you would use to make a decision. What I would use is comparative pros and cons.

For instance: If we legalized prostitution, it is my prediction that the current violent pimp would go down the drain with the refuse we flush. I believe that because it is a "black market" type of situation that only the most unscrupulous take it on...

Another for instance: If it were legalized and intelligently regulated both the prostitutes and their Johns/Janes would be better protected from disease as well as violence.

Things like that would go into my consideration of change. That and I believe more freedom to make poor choices is always better than foolish laws that simply ensure that the great majority of participants in the "crime" would be victimized into it by the worst elements of our society.
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Child I NEVER LOST a debate, otherwise I would change my stance. If you have a strong debate then DEBATE ME. All you cowards do is hide in a corner hoping you can google my topics, but since I use brains over media, you are silent. Yet ironically you are the party that hates "lamestream media"...........


So either buck up and debate me or leave my threads kids.
 
I thought the Libertarians would be all over this. Guess not.

They only tried to expose me as someone who made a stance on other topics, trying to say that I'm not a Libertarian because I made a stance that didn't fit their profile.

Welcome to POLITICS kiddo's.
 
Anti-Party said:
We all know it's coming. *no pun intended* Let's start the debate early.

Libertarians only focus on themselves, never others when making political decisions. And are while this is sometimes destructive, it is also sometimes progressive. I tend to use the "risk vs. reward" system that I made to see if a Libertarian idea is good or not. Such as seat belts, risk is your entire family has to deal with your death the rest of their lives, reward, you are free enough to not wear one. Easy one.

Let's talk PROSTITUTION! YEEEEHAAWWWW!

It is similar to the gay debate because it's another law made by Christians who are using law to enforce Christianity. My Bible teaches free will, not forced religion. My Bible also teaches "do not cast stones" and "do not judge or be judged".

The Constitution states "Freedom of Religion" which means we should not use FEDERAL Laws to stop prostitution or gay marriage. Yet I don't think there are Federal laws against prostitution since it's legal in Nevada.

So let's use "Risk vs. Reward".
A)Risk....I guess married men or women would have the option to pay for sex which would possibly jeopardize the Liberty of their entire family to be raised as a normal family.
B)Reward....TONS of taxation. Hookers are paid BIG. Of course this amount would go down with legalization. Also, there is indirect proof that people who go without sex for a long period of time make bad sexual decisions.

So what do you think people?
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So, you support it, then?

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Anti-Party said:
I thought the Libertarians would be all over this. Guess not.

They only tried to expose me as someone who made a stance on other topics, trying to say that I'm not a Libertarian because I made a stance that didn't fit their profile.

Welcome to POLITICS kiddo's.
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Two have posted in this thread. Fox News told me it was bad, so I am going to disagree with them, just cuz...
 
Damocles said:
People just understand your history. In previous threads when others actually introduced facts you ignored the facts and proceeded to repeat what was clearly delineated by the actual facts to be your unsupported opinion as "facts" that supposedly supported an obvious straw man.

You were actually losing to your own straw man, yet felt self-congratulatory. It was like watching a train wreck. I'm sure it will happen here as well.

You measure risk and reward as the sole factors you would use to make a decision. What I would use is comparative pros and cons.

For instance: If we legalized prostitution, it is my prediction that the current violent pimp would go down the drain with the refuse we flush. I believe that because it is a "black market" type of situation that only the most unscrupulous take it on...

Another for instance: If it were legalized and intelligently regulated both the prostitutes and their Johns/Janes would be better protected from disease as well as violence.

Things like that would go into my consideration of change. That and I believe more freedom to make poor choices is always better than foolish laws that simply ensure that the great majority of participants in the "crime" would be victimized into it by the worst elements of our society.
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there are still serious cons to legal prostitution. Family disruption and economic exploitation on a economy of scale far beyond your neighborhood pimp. Still properly regulated I think the pros (no pun intended) outweigh the cons. Escort services are practically legal in a lot of regions in that the laws are not strictly enforced.
 
Let me pose two questions to those in support of prostitution: Can you think of any reason aside from economic ones, for a person to become a prostitute? And would this person, if offered suitable, reputable employment, pass up on such an offer?
 
Rana said:
I believe if the prostitute is an adult and the client is an adult, then it should be legal.

Prostitution has been an acceptable trade off and on throughout history.
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I agree. It should be legal. I don't think anyone should want to do it, mind you; much like with drugs. But it should be legal among consenting adults.

With legalization comes reduction in the power of pimps; we can mandate health checks to keep the license; we can collect taxes.

But absolutely it must be monitored to ensure no underage prostitutes and that no one was forced into it.
 
Anti-Party said:
Child........you don't seem to be able to hold a debate about ANYTHING!

If YOU aren't worried about it then get out of the thread moron. If you are, then add subject moron.

Trolls will be trolls....:megusta:
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All I will say to you is that you have no concept whatsoever of libertarianism.

In case you have not noticed (you clearly have not noticed, or you are simply a true troll and nothing more) this is a libertarian forum.

Perhaps you should use some discretion or accept whatever befalls you.

Obviously you are welcome to post here, since we enjoy laughing at fools.

To indicate Attila is a troll is beyond foolish, hence my fist true laugh of the day, thankyou.

:rofl:

I will not sign off with my usual response to such gibberish (idiot) since I think you have potential, but your definitions or understandings thereof suck.
 
Rose said:
Let me pose two questions to those in support of prostitution: Can you think of any reason aside from economic ones, for a person to become a prostitute? And would this person, if offered suitable, reputable employment, pass up on such an offer?
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Anti's idiot thinking aside, whether a person chooses to be a prostitute or not should be their individual choice. It could be for any reason, economic, pursuit of happiness, lack of any other work skills. the reasons should be irrelevant though, as long as it's that persons choice and not a forced decision.
 
Anti-Party said:
Child I NEVER LOST a debate, otherwise I would change my stance. If you have a strong debate then DEBATE ME. All you cowards do is hide in a corner hoping you can google my topics, but since I use brains over media, you are silent. Yet ironically you are the party that hates "lamestream media"...........


So either buck up and debate me or leave my threads kids.
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LOL... you are sounding just as delusional as Desh and Howey with your 'I never lost a debate'. For one, we all know that is nonsense given your above 'style' of debate (also known as ad hom attacks). For another, we have seen you lose on this very board, hence we know it is false.
 
Anti-Party said:
Perhaps try to stop "profiling" me and start using your brain kids. Talk honest on the topic. I believe Prostitution should be legal and it's one of the FEW Libertarian idea's I believe in. Along with pot smoking which I, as a Christian, stopped a 1.5 year relationship over because I was judgemental ONLY BECAUSE OF POLITICS. HEMP was one of the first topics Corporate America used money to fight.
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You are quickly working your way to idiot status now.
Unfortunately I must leave for the day so I am not going to get to enjoy your meltdown.
 
Anti-Party said:
Child I NEVER LOST a debate, otherwise I would change my stance. If you have a strong debate then DEBATE ME. All you cowards do is hide in a corner hoping you can google my topics, but since I use brains over media, you are silent. Yet ironically you are the party that hates "lamestream media"...........


So either buck up and debate me or leave my threads kids.
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OK, now you are a moron. Keep it up, retard status is right around the corner.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Anti's idiot thinking aside, whether a person chooses to be a prostitute or not should be their individual choice. It could be for any reason, economic, pursuit of happiness, lack of any other work skills. the reasons should be irrelevant though, as long as it's that persons choice and not a forced decision.
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No, they should not. Because the reasons behind choosing are, in this case, a form of coercion. One may not want to be a prostitute, but out of circumstance and a need for an income, they are forced to.
 
Rose said:
No, they should not. Because the reasons behind choosing are, in this case, a form of coercion. One may not want to be a prostitute, but out of circumstance and a need for an income, they are forced to.
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they should not? what do you mean? and needing to have an income and resorting to prostitution for it is not coercion, it's a conscious decision. 'forced' prostitution would be by the duress imposed upon by another.

try to not use semantics and obfuscation in your arguments against individual choices. it makes you look dictatorial.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
they should not? what do you mean? and needing to have an income and resorting to prostitution for it is not coercion, it's a conscious decision. 'forced' prostitution would be by the duress imposed upon by another.

try to not use semantics and obfuscation in your arguments against individual choices. it makes you look dictatorial.
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What I'm saying is that individuals' circumstances are largely determined by externalities, not choice. When those circumstances (lack of work skills, is an example you gave) dictate whiter a person enters into prostitution, we're dealing with coercion.
 
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