Prostitution........The Next Libertarian Debate

iolo said:
The sickness of capitalist society never ceases to amaze me. Would you want your small daughters engaged in this meat-market? What about Pope-steaks, for the Roman Catholics? Jesus wept!
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Yes, people having sex for money is the same thing as cannibalism. This is clearly a rational and well thought out argument.
 
iolo said:
Slices of the bugger, in Popeburgers, since humans don't matter, only money. Small daughters grow up, kid, or didn't you know? Cuntburgers?
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I like cuntburgers....hold the cheese though.

Actually iolo, I mostly agree with you. However, if the person who chooses this profession does so as a consenting adult and is not coerced....that's their business. I care.more about the exploitation aspect of it than the physical act.
 
iolo said:
Slices of the bugger, in Popeburgers, since humans don't matter, only money. Small daughters grow up, kid, or didn't you know? Cuntburgers?
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Seriously, is English your second language or what? Can you put a coherent sentence together? I'm not a grammar/spelling nazi, but you are not making sense to me. And calling kids "cuntburgers"? that's not cool on this site. You are a total jerk.
 
tekkychick said:
Seriously, is English your second language or what? Can you put a coherent sentence together? I'm not a grammar/spelling nazi, but you are not making sense to me. And calling kids "cuntburgers"? that's not cool on this site. You are a total jerk.
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Wait a sec....I didn't realize he was talking kids....I thought he was being generic....I take back my like for cuntburgers.
 
Steelplate said:
Wait a sec....I didn't realize he was talking kids....I thought he was being generic....I take back my like for cuntburgers.
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He wasn't, and knock off that particular line of discussion. In this instance 'kid' is a perjorative to demean the arguer.
 
Steelplate said:
I like cuntburgers....hold the cheese though.

Actually iolo, I mostly agree with you. However, if the person who chooses this profession does so as a consenting adult and is not coerced....that's their business. I care.more about the exploitation aspect of it than the physical act.
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Who, under capitalism, chooses? It is a mechanism for human degradation, turning everything and everyone into a commodity, though, as with refrigeration technology, it does keep the meat usable longer.
 
tekkychick said:
While I do think prostitution should be legalized, from what I've read the industry is going downhill in Amsterdam and other places in Europe. Too many women are being imported in and forced to work in it. They need to crack down on that.

Just one article - but there's lots out there.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2013/jun/12/germany-now-europes-biggest-brothel
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I doubt it. While I am sure it is a continuing problem and one that should not be ignored, the press often overstates such things.
 
iolo said:
The sickness of capitalist society never ceases to amaze me. Would you want your small daughters engaged in this meat-market? What about Pope-steaks, for the Roman Catholics? Jesus wept!
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What about it is uniquely capitalist? Do you have any proof that prostitution can be eliminated in whatever sort of economic system you advocate?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
they should not? what do you mean? and needing to have an income and resorting to prostitution for it is not coercion, it's a conscious decision. 'forced' prostitution would be by the duress imposed upon by another.

try to not use semantics and obfuscation in your arguments against individual choices. it makes you look dictatorial.
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This is a very eye opening thread, I am sorry I missed it until now.

This post fascinates me because I have tried to make the case in the past that some of the men here do not understand coercion, or rather, they absolutely refuse to recognize it. It is either by physical force, or by choice.
 
tekkychick said:
We KNOW there are prostitutes currently that are coerced into it due to economics. Girls/women are brought from overseas on the promise of a cleaning job, and they end up as prostitutes. Happens here, happens in Amsterdam, happens in a lot of countries. They own the person who brought them over, they have to work at it. It also happens to runaways - they need money to survive, they get into prostitution.

Now there are women who aren't coerced by economics; they check out the job market, there are other things they could do, but prostitution's hours and pay strike them as the best way to go, so they enter the profession. That isn't coercion if they have other choices, anymore than choosing to be a cop rather than a secretary is coercion

However - they need the other opportunities available. If the only non-skilled job opening for women that pays a living wage is prostitution, then that could be seen as economic coercion.

But we're heading down the road of "word definition" and that's never productive.
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True, good points. Rose is most likely overstating, but IMO STY is understating. I think you have nailed the correct ground.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yes. I've know several call girls/escorts.....what ever you want to call them. Both of them told me a pretty similiar story. Neither was well educated both were quite attractive, they liked sex and they could make far more money than even at a "reasonable job". Were not talking drug addicted crack ho's now. They both told a similiar story. They'd book a hotel room, see between 2 to 4 johns a day. Work out of that Hotel for a week or two and then travel to a new location. They would make in the neighborhood of a thousand dollars a day. Sometimes more. They worked a schedule of two weeks on and four weeks off and would make around $10,000 to $15,000 per two week stint. Making around between $100,000 and $200,000/year, mostly tax free revenue working 17 to 18 weeks a year.

Now how many so called "reputable jobs" are there where you can make over $100,000 per year for part time work?
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Well, this is always the man's answer. And I think it's naive. First of all, when did these women tell you how much they "Love" fucking two to four strangers a day? because if it was when you were screwing one of them, yeah...no. That's provided as a service included with the fee Mott. Oh I love it, I can't get enough sex so I went into this profession where four men a day walk into my room, lay down some money, and own me for two hours. You're the best of them all though, and can I tell you a secret? You're the only one I really orgasm with. Shhh...

Most importantly though, this argument is just blind. Yes, I agree there is a difference when it's a very young, conventionally beautiful woman who can actually get a thousand dollars a night and hooks for a year or two to pay her way through Columbia University.

And there are a few cases of this. They make up what? 1 percent of the world's prostitutes? 2 percent?

It's a false argument.
 
tekkychick said:
Seriously, is English your second language or what? Can you put a coherent sentence together? I'm not a grammar/spelling nazi, but you are not making sense to me. And calling kids "cuntburgers"? that's not cool on this site. You are a total jerk.
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Ph.D. in it, sweetness. Sort-of-second: we spoke two.
 
iolo said:
Who, under capitalism, chooses? It is a mechanism for human degradation, turning everything and everyone into a commodity, though, as with refrigeration technology, it does keep the meat usable longer.
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Yeah, the true significance of all the world's ills is only found when fit into a narrative against capitalism.
 
Rana said:
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I am like you and wrongfully think about women as prostitutes, but there are males as well. They are exploited as well, especially young males.
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Definitely...young males are exploited as well as abused. I have always believed legalized prostitution is for the greater good of the sex worker. It is never going to stop, so regulating it is for the better. Rose makes great points, and I think they are worth discussing, but in the end, sadly, we do not live in an economic utopia and we have to be practical. Because practicality is what will help the most exploited people, and help them fastest.
 
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