Putin fears NATO

EU is the largest trading partner with China
NATO is concerned with Europe/Russia, not China
If/when China goes after Taiwan NATO will have nothing to do about it

Only a shooting war with China (attack by) would suck NATO in under Article 5

The last this to ever happen would be China going up against any NATO country
China is much more adept in using soft power the we are, and they dont need to war against the USA

China is watching the failure of Putin's army in Ukraine and learning the lessons that invading a smaller, but well armed and determined neighbor is not as easy as it looks on paper.
 
China is watching the failure of Putin's army in Ukraine and learning the lessons that invading a smaller, but well armed and determined neighbor is not as easy as it looks on paper.
you think we are going to interfere with a China takeover of Taiwan? no

Xi has a schedule ( dont know where I heard it) of 2027. by that time he'll have long range ICBMs on subs
and his navy is being built by leaps and bounds

Europe wont do shit about any of this - Europe justs sucks up USA resources -it's not going to do a damn thing to help on China
 
you think we are going to interfere with a China takeover of Taiwan? no

Xi has a schedule ( dont know where I heard it) of 2027. by that time he'll have long range ICBMs on subs
and his navy is being built by leaps and bounds

Europe wont do shit about any of this - Europe justs sucks up USA resources -it's not going to do a damn thing to help on China
you also thought Russia would just cake walk through Ukraine before USA and Europe could mount an effective response.

USA would support Taiwan against Chinese invasion.

Biden, Zalensky, and NATO are showing the dictators of the world that they will face enormous pain if they try to invade democratic countries.
 
you also thought Russia would just cake walk through Ukraine before USA and Europe could mount an effective response.

USA would support Taiwan against Chinese invasion.

Biden, Zalensky, and NATO are showing the dictators of the world that they will face enormous pain if they try to invade democratic countries.
no I thought Putin would cake walk into Donbas
- not try and take all of Ukraine
Taiwan and Ukraine are 100% different animals
I expect a combined sea and air and amphibious assault on Taiwan whenever it happens
 
Given the obvious superiority of NATO weapons, technology, and organizational doctrine, it's not surprising that Putin and his shattered army fear provoking NATO.

Of course he fears NATO. NATO is his literal nemesis. It's the only power that will oppose him.
 
EU is the largest trading partner with China
NATO is concerned with Europe/Russia, not China
If/when China goes after Taiwan NATO will have nothing to do about it

The UK ' Foreign Secretary ' has different ideas. Is there something wrong with your comprehension faculties ?

You seem to think that America's ' coalition partners' in its wars are not NATO. Get real.
 
since when did YOU care about what the UK says? UK are the worst of the Russiaphobes, along with USA

I'm simply mentioning what the UK government appears to have in mind in an effort to inform Swedes and Fins what they could be in for by subscribing to NATO's Article 5, possibly the most flagrant warmongering policy in history. Do catch up.
 
NATO is a catalyst for war. Article 5 is a call to war . NATO is FOR war, not peace.

An attack on one is an attack on all, is not a call to war. An attack means the war has already started, and then the rest of NATO joins in.

For example, when Turkey attacked Cyprus, the rest of NATO did not join in. That was a war started by a NATO country, not a war started by attacking a NATO country.

NATO is a defensive organization.
 
An attack on one is an attack on all, is not a call to war. An attack means the war has already started, and then the rest of NATO joins in.

That's correct- which means that any tin-pot NATO member is in a position to call WW3 by claiming self-defense. NATO is designed for aggression
 
That's correct- which means that any tin-pot NATO member is in a position to call WW3 by claiming self-defense. NATO is designed for aggression

No, each NATO country decides for itself whether it is self defense or not. So when Turkey claimed self defense in the invasion of northern Cyprus, or northern Syria, no one else believed them.
 
No, each NATO country decides for itself whether it is self defense or not. So when Turkey claimed self defense in the invasion of northern Cyprus, or northern Syria, no one else believed them.

Just one instance does not assure anybody sane.
 
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