Question for our gun enthusiast friends.

And are you ignoring the school shootings where the shooter was intent on killing someone or a group of someone's intentionally.

All the rest were just collateral damage.

Not at all. You are focusing on a single example rather than the entire set of murderers. This is known as a divisional error. It's a fallacy.

Anyone that shoots another with a gun whether it's someone they know or indiscriminate, does it for personal reasons.
 
That's because the DEA lets drugs into communities. The drug laws are a joke.

The DEA is overwhelmed, dude. They also can't stop drugs that are manufactured here in the United States.
The point is, which you conveniently tried to sidestep is:

Drug laws do NOT prevent the abuse of drugs.
 
The DEA is overwhelmed, dude. They also can't stop drugs that are manufactured here in the United States.
The point is, which you conveniently tried to sidestep is:

Drug laws do NOT prevent the abuse of drugs.

But it's not just that they're failing to keep drugs out, it's that they're bringing drugs in.
I'll grant you that laws do nothing when they're not being seriously enforced.
 
No, because I think laws actually do prevent things.
I'm just curious to see how many gun enthusiasts here can be consistent. So far the answer is zero.
There's no evidence that any gun control law has ever been demonstrated to have made things better. By "better" I mean a change in something significant, like the total homicide rate, not some superficiality like the firearm death rate. What good does it do to reduce firearm deaths if just as many people are being murdered? Only your typical control freak fanatic thinks that that's a good thing. The UK, with over a century of gun control, now has a homicide rate that's greater than it was in 1900.

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No because the law isn't enforced. There are also gun laws that aren't enforced.



I don't want all guns to be banned. I just want stricter gun control. And I think we should deport all illegals. The border wall isn't very necessary, but I'm fine with it being built.
It's more than obvious, if you look at the entire world, that there are factors other than gun control laws that have far more influence on violent crime. Maybe we should be looking for and at those other factors.

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That's because the DEA lets drugs into communities. The drug laws are a joke.
The drug laws are no more effective than Prohibition was. All they've done is to promote the growth of large and violent criminal gangs. That's where much of our problem with guns is.

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