Litmus
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Do you have any documentation of this fact?
Questions for survivalists
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Do you have any documentation of this fact?
In case of long term disasters, I plan to just rob all the Latter Day Saints!
So, you suggest when I buy my retirement home I look for one built in the 50's with a bomb shelter?
Honestly, I hope the bomb lands on my house. I can't reproduce, so I wouldn't help the future of humankind and I am not cut out to be a survivalist, my idea of roughing it these days is room service!
/MSG/
Uwaa OmO
Mormons will put up a pretty mean fight. John Moses Browning was a devout Mormon.
apple0154
MEOW
I wrote, "I can see the validity of having a week's supply of food in the case a storm knocks out roads, etc. but things return to normal after a short period of time."
Do you have any documentation of the opposite?
apple0154
MEOW
I'm looking forward to a group home. The ratio of females to males is most promising.
If things become too bad there are meds to help go gracefully into the long night.
apple0154
MEOW
SmarterthanYou
rebel
something i'd love for a liberal/socialist/statist community oriented person to tell me is why do you constantly consider anyone who has alot of firearms, stockpiles food/water/ammo, and takes combat training courses, nothing but a pushover at the slightest bit of confrontation? Do you think that in my suburban area, the people around me are just going to mob my home to steal my shit? and not get shot?
Well, you may get a few of them, but when the horde is large enough, you and your guns won't last forever!
SmarterthanYou
rebel
experience tells me that when the first gunshot is fired, people tend to flee, not attack.
Not desperate people...
apple0154
MEOW
Do you think liberal/socialist/statist community oriented persons with hungry children are not going to try to get food if they believe you have some? Do you think the liberal/socialist/statist community oriented neighbors are not going to help them?
Taking into account mob mentality you best take into account that once you fire that first shot you're a marked man.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
guess i better get more ammo then. It's pretty telling though, the mindset the 'trust the gov' people have. If they can't get gov help, they'll just kill their survivalist neighbors.
Posted by Good luck,
The only survivalists I question are the ones looking for things like food stores with 10 year shelf lives, heirloom seeds for ongoing, multiple years of gardening without restocking seeds from the market,
electrical generators designed to last for decades,
So you are saying I should get rid of the 25 KW diesel generator I scored from the Civil Defence and stop aquiring heirloom seeds?
The only survivalists I question are the ones looking for things like food stores with 10 year shelf lives, heirloom seeds for ongoing, multiple years of gardening without restocking seeds from the market,
electrical generators designed to last for decades,
So you are saying I should get rid of the 25 KW diesel generator I scored from the Civil Defence and stop aquiring heirloom seeds?
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WinterBorn
Guest
I would say don't wait to plant those heirloom seeds.
apple0154
MEOW
Only if the survivalist neighbors shoot first. The folks who require help will just be knocking on doors.
What is telling is it appears the survivalists would see children die rather than share if your posts are an accurate representation.
/MSG/
Uwaa OmO
Ummm no. Your entire argument is flawed in a serious way. Here is how it would likely go down.
Survivalist has house full of supploes, water, guns, other stuff (radio, medicine, etc). Catastrophe strikes. Survivalist calls his/her buddies (some of whom are also equally prepared). Thus a network is formed. Said network bands together. Unprepared and unconnected community is unable to compete. Some will join if they have something to contribute themselves. Those that don't, most likely will die. It is sad, but what good would come from freely giving when the group in need is larger than the available supply? All that would happen is that the whole community would screw themselves and doom everyone, instead of the few who were smart/talented enough to survive doing so.
Good Luck
New member
Not at all. Do what you think is best for you. I just question the actual need of planning for more than 2-3 years of forced self-sufficiency. Ultra-long shelf-life foods cost 4-5 times as much as the same nutrition and calories as everyday canned and dried foods, which have shelf lives of 3-5 years, which is more than enough IMO.
Heirloom seeds cost 2-3 times as much as seeds you can buy in garden stores, and 5 or more time as much as the cheap stuff you can get at supermarket garden centers. I personally do not believe any catastrophe of reasonable probability could lead to more than 3 years at the very outside of collapse to the point of near-self sufficiency to survive, so don't see the need for plans to harvest seeds for the next season as a survival technique. Others disagree with me, and I simply question that. Being on a somewhat limited income, I buy less expensive items in larger bulk, be it canned foods or seeds. I get the same effect - except for shelf life values which I don't believe are essential. Plus, by buying every day foods, I won't need to worry about needing a radical change in my diet should the worst happen.
Of course, why one would choose those things can vary. Your reasons may have absolutely nothing to do with survival. For instance some prefer heirloom seeds because they mistrust the genetic modified seeds that you get elsewhere. Again, I don't believe that to be a problem, but to each their own.
25KW diesel generator? Going to convert the diesel engine to biofuels? More power to you there. Get the thing running and take yourself off the grid, catastrophe or not. Myself, I have a 10KW that can run off propane or natural gas/methane. Have used it a couple times during power-outages that lasted a couple days each. Last time saved a lot of trouble, as it was 35 below both nights of the outage. I also know how to distill methane from compost heaps. I don't believe I'll need to rely on it for more than a couple-three years should the absolute worst happen, but by running off compost methane, I don't have to try to store three years worth of propane.
Survival preparations are an individual thing. Some are prepping for a level of collapse that I, personally, think have either a zero chance of occurring, or that such an event would wipe us out, anyway, prepared or not. I am prepared to weather out a collapse that could leave us on our own - or mostly on our own - for a few years. My thought is if more is needed, survival is less than likely anyway.
Good Luck
New member
First, MOST urban survivalists don't advertise their preparations for disaster, and have no plans to advertise them should disaster occur. The you-tube guy looks more like a braggart than a genuine survivalist to me. He's comes off as a wacko - not for being a survivalist, but for bragging about it and showing off his guns like he expects to be some kind of urban warrior or something. Most survivalists are not even remotely like that guy.
Second, many urban survivalists plan on taking their stashes and heading for a BOL if/when the balloon goes up.
Third, the vast majority of people - even if caught up in mob mentality - are not mentally nor physically prepared for a confrontation - especially a lethal one - in searching for food. If people, even mobs, find themselves up against a fortified position, they are far more likely to move on to softer targets than to push the issue. Who wants to get killed for a can of Hormel, even if desperate? It does you no good to get shot if your intent is to get food. The idea that a survivalist cannot "get them all" if the mob is big enough is plain silly. If a desperate mob goes up against an equally desperate, but armed man, and the mob has to storm him in the protection of his home, many of that mob WILL be killed. How are you going to guarantee you are not one of the casualties? Are you willing to die in that manner so that someone else may get that coveted can of Hormel chili? There aren't many - very close to if not at zero - who would say yes to that question. And, further, most people who ARE willing to consider outright combat for food are also the type who will have their own stores.
And the idea of burning a house down because somebody has stores they won't share is asinine in the extreme. What good does it do to destroy what you are after? Who, besides a sociopath, would do murder of that nature just to "teach the guy a lesson"?
Finally, "futile" preparations are still better than none at all.
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