Racism Extinct? Or, Republicans just stupid?

[gonzojournals]

The history that the self-consciously White folks don't want you to know.

No, seriously, tell me about Black history. I want people to let me know what part of Black history differentiates it from American history (because I am certain you do not mean African history).

 

[Immanuel]

But as you say, it is your heritage. There are periods and occurances of African history that I am not proud of, but it is my heritage. Assuming that you are white, suggesting that you pay a price for being white in a nation dominated by whites is hard for me to understand. The necessary controls put in place to ensure a better American society pales in comparison to the consequences of a racist society.

As AHZ said, in an inappropriate way, we are suffering for what our forefathers did. It is now permissable to discriminate against a white man. Which is just as wrong as discriminating against a black man. In fact, it is encouraged by our governent.

Without emphasis on Black History, black history wasn't being taught. Why shouldn't black children be taught their history, or be taught distorted history. King Tut and Nefertiti were black, the builders of the Pyramids were black .. which is why the Assyrians cut the noses of the Sphynx when stealing that history. Hannibal helped to civilize europe. Why shouldn't black children know this and much other fascinating history? Until it was forced to be taught, it wasn't.

I'm all for black children being taught their history and I said so. My question is why does it have to be so segregated? Why can't history be taught as human history not Black History or White History, but history?

Granted this isn't your fault and changing it isn't likly to happen, because whites won't allow it to be, but that is how I see things should be.

In the meantime, while we wait for things to occur naturally, even though they never have, there must be mechanisms in place to protect Americans from the evil, irrespective or whether or not everybody agrees.

That sounds like you support discrimination... pay backs are a bitch. Isn't that the saying? So when is it going to end?

Immie

 

[Lao Tse]

Assuming that you are white, suggesting that you pay a price for being white in a nation dominated by whites is hard for me to understand.

Yet liberals do it all the time. They suggest we pay a price for being white by allowing ourselves to be discriminated against based on our skin color. And frankly, I don't understand it either.

 

[gonzojournals]

No, seriously, tell me about Black history. I want people to let me know what part of Black history differentiates it from American history (because I am certain you do not mean African history).

Still awaiting a response.

 

[blackascoal]

As AHZ said, in an inappropriate way, we are suffering for what our forefathers did. It is now permissable to discriminate against a white man. Which is just as wrong as discriminating against a black man. In fact, it is encouraged by our governent.

Let me preface this by saying that because you are intelligent enough to comment in an appropriate way is the very reason why I'm having this conversation with you, not AHZ.

"Forefathers" ?? .. Blacks have only been relatively free in America for 42 years. What forefathers would you be speaking of?

My father grew up in Florida and unless he knew how many bubbles were in a bar of soap, he couldn't vote. Do you know how many bubbles there are in a bar of soap? These weren't forefathers that kept my father from voting. I could spend a great deal of time talking about all the basic freedoms, rights, opportunities, and simple human rights that were denied to African-Americans by people who were in your fathers generation and if your older than 42 years old, your own generation.

You say whites are suffering .. where?

Are they targets of an unjust crimnal system that racially discriminates against white men, thus destroying their communities and families by doing so? .. No?

We can spend a lot of time comparing where whites are suffering against where blacks are suffering, but I'm sure that converstaion isn't really necessary.

I hoping we can have a real intellectually honest discussion.

I'm all for black children being taught their history and I said so. My question is why does it have to be so segregated? Why can't history be taught as human history not Black History or White History, but history?

That's a good question, in fact it's the very question black people asked. Why can't the study of history be inclusive of all history? In fact, we asked that question over and over again for .. oh say .. since Frederick Douglass, about 150 years ago. How much longer should we have waited before teaching our children their own history? History should indeed be taught as human history, but who do you think kept that from happening? Why do you think they kept that from happening? It wasn't just because of racism, they were controlling white Americans.

Would America be Christian if Jesus was black?

Hell to the no (eb).

 

[blackascoal]

Still awaiting a response.

Why would you be certain it's not African history? African history did not begin with slavery .. African-American history did.

I would agree that African-American history SHOULD be American history, but that is not how it's taught or interpreted by American people. Where African-American history differentiates from "American history" is in the teaching and most importantly, the interpretation.

The teaching of American history might offer something as lame and comic-book-like as "Roots" as a vision of the American slavery era. The teaching of African-American history would offer the BBC vision as an appropriate view of that era. In the BBC version the fact that as many 20 million africans died along the Middle Passages was not overlooked, nor that the teeth of captive slaves were knocked out with a hammer when they refused to eat, nor did it overlook the horrific rape and brutalization of women and children. That vision is closer to fact, thus history, not a Hollywood depiction made palatable to controlled American people.

In many way, American history, as it's being taught, is being written by Hollywood.

 

[blackascoal]

12% of black men between 24 and 34 are in some phase of the prison system, largely due to the Drug War.

End the War on Drugs. End it for black people, end it for white people, but end it.

A nation which continues to imprison such huge numbers of its own cannot be sustained.

Absolutely

America, "Land of the Free" .. which by the way may also be the greatest prison nation in human history.

5% of the world's population and 25% of all the world's prisoners.

DAMN

 

[Lao Tse]

Let me preface this by saying that because you are intelligent enough to comment in an appropriate way is the very reason why I'm having this conversation with you, not AHZ.

"Forefathers" ?? .. Blacks have only been relatively free in America for 42 years. What forefathers would you be speaking of?

My father grew up in Florida and unless he knew how many bubbles were in a bar of soap, he couldn't vote. Do you know how many bubbles there are in a bar of soap? These weren't forefathers that kept my father from voting. I could spend a great deal of time talking about all the basic freedoms, rights, opportunities, and simple human rights that were denied to African-Americans by people who were in your fathers generation and if your older than 42 years old, your own generation.

You say whites are suffering .. where?

Are they targets of an unjust crimnal system that racially discriminates against white men, thus destroying their communities and families by doing so? .. No?

We can spend a lot of time comparing where whites are suffering against where blacks are suffering, but I'm sure that converstaion isn't really necessary.

I hoping we can have a real intellectually honest discussion.



That's a good question, in fact it's the very question black people asked. Why can't the study of history be inclusive of all history? In fact, we asked that question over and over again for .. oh say .. since Frederick Douglass, about 150 years ago. How much longer should we have waited before teaching our children their own history? History should indeed be taught as human history, but who do you think kept that from happening? Why do you think they kept that from happening? It wasn't just because of racism, they were controlling white Americans.

Would America be Christian if Jesus was black?

Hell to the no (eb).

Whites are being discriminated against on the basis of their skin color. That's a violation of civil rights laws. How can you be such a cretin, blackascoal? Seriously, how many DAYS will you go on about this issue without recognizing the obvious?

 

[blackascoal]

Whites are being discriminated against on the basis of their skin color. That's a violation of civil rights laws. How can you be such a cretin, blackascoal? Seriously, how many DAYS will you go on about this issue without recognizing the obvious?

If it's so obvious then I'm sure you'll have no problem articulating where whites are being discriminated against on the basis of their skin.

Then I'll articulate, as I have, where blacks are being blatanly discriminated against and I'll see if I can devise a mechamism that brings some semblance of balance and equality .. I think I'll call it affirmative action.

I've already talked about the devastation of the criminal system injustice .. your turn. See if you can top that?

There is a great deal more .. but it's your turn.

 

[Lao Tse]

If it's so obvious then I'm sure you'll have no problem articulating where whites are being discriminated against on the basis of their skin.

Then I'll articulate, as I have, where blacks are being blatanly discriminated against and I'll see if I can devise a mechamism that brings some semblance of balance and equality .. I think I'll call it affirmative action.

I've already talked about the devastation of the criminal system injustice .. your turn. See if you can top that?

There is a great deal more .. but it's your turn.

Any affirmative action program, or small business loan based on minority status. Blatant racism both of them.

 

[Topspin]

preference to blacks in AA is only racist in the moronic mind of asshat and the other skinhead types.

 

[blackascoal]

Any affirmative action program, or small business loan based on minority status. Blatant racism both of them.

That's it?

I give you something as demonstrative and undeniable as the injustice of the criminal system .. and you come back with loans? Are you serious?

Ever heard of redlining? Are you seriously suggesting that "loans" discriminate against whites?

You expose the flaw in your argument yourself and it didn't take much for me to push you into it. Now you're stuck in the quagmire of being without logic .. but it should feel like home to you.

Try again.

 

[Lao Tse]

That's it?

I give you something as demonstrative and undeniable as the injustice of the criminal system .. and you come back with loans? Are you serious?

Ever heard of redlining? Are you seriously suggesting that "loans" discriminate against whites?

You expose the flaw in your argument yourself and it didn't take much for me to push you into it. Now you're stuck in the quagmire of being without logic .. but it should feel like home to you.

Try again.

I said affirmative action, nitwit. Those programs are blatant racism and should be ruled unconstitutional.