Rape Culture

I'm not blaming the victim. Im asking for all parties involved to step and be admit that there are things that can be done to help prevent this. It disgusts me that the moment I mention preventative measures and personal responsibility the Care Bear Patrol steps up to stifle the conversation. The victim gets traumatized, but I wonder what changes they really make to prevent it again. . .

How about changing stuff like this for starters?

"It reminds me of a headline from years ago that read, “More Rapes Linked to Young Women on Drinking Binges.” Why not, “Rapists Attack Drunk Women”? This centering of women’s behavior is what allows rape culture to flourish."
 
chastity belt? If that suits you. Perhaps a little on the extreme side, but I bet it would work.

How about we all agree that we can't always 'go crazy' without attracting crazy? If I had a dollar for every time a man hit on me, well . . . I did for a time.

I would rather we encourage sensible, safe decisions amongst our children, and hold everyone accountable when something happens. Women shouldn't have to be strong or sensible, I agree, but in this day and age our society calls for it. We discourage interpersonal bonding, we encourage a sensationalist lifestyle, we encourage mutual masturbation. All these things we do and then scratch our heads when somebody takes it too far. We cannot tolerate rape, and if we cannot than we must do everything reasonable to prevent it.

And, also, do you think I as a man have never woken up next to a girl I wish I hadn't?


WTF! you should have stopped this a long time ago because you have really gone off into the weeds now. Waking up next to someone you wished you hasn't? WTF does that mean? How is that coming up in a conversation about rape. Rape isn't a mistake--it is a crime! And when it is filmed and that film is shown to others it is a despicable invasion and a crime and everyone involved should be punished for rape. I don't know what your personal failings have to do with rape, or even why you are saying this stupid shit! But you must be really fucked up now because you have I HATE WOMEN liking all your stupid pronouncements and if he is liking what you are saying you are definitely talking about rape! He loves raping women and talking about raping women and writing about the women that he would like to rape and those he hopes get raped. He's real sick fucking twist.
 
The effect of our society, our popular media, and the long-term effects of our relatively new social values on our mentality. For both men and women. In the past 60 years we have changed American culture more than the previous 150.

If every society has its positives and negatives, what are the negatives of our own at this moment?

Why don't you take your little off topic post and create a poll for the rest of the idiots like you to take and then take it to Michael Medved and he can denote a month to giving you the right wing spin on the whole damn thing.
 
WTF! you should have stopped this a long time ago because you have really gone off into the weeds now. Waking up next to someone you wished you hasn't? WTF does that mean? How is that coming up in a conversation about rape. Rape isn't a mistake--it is a crime! And when it is filmed and that film is shown to others it is a despicable invasion and a crime and everyone involved should be punished for rape. I don't know what your personal failings have to do with rape, or even why you are saying this stupid shit! But you must be really fucked up now because you have I HATE WOMEN liking all your stupid pronouncements and if he is liking what you are saying you are definitely talking about rape! He loves raping women and talking about raping women and writing about the women that he would like to rape and those he hopes get raped. He's real sick fucking twist.

You don't understand how waking up next to somebody you didn't want to came up in a conversation about rape? Really? I think you're running out of excuses for your one sided assault.

ILA thanked it, I imagine because he more or less feels the same way. If that . . . pedantic attack is your last line of defense than were done here. The rape won't stop until you feminize the men (and then you'll only have women taking advantage of men and vv) or we all come together and figure this out.

You know, like the left always spouts off about? Community solutions involving action from everyone? Well, sans 'everybody does something', at least

He loves raping women and talking about raping women and writing about the women that he would like to rape and those he hopes get raped. He's real sick fucking twist.

You'll have to take that up with him. But I doubt he truly does.


In short, I think that although the raper should take the brunt of the blame, the victim should be aware that there are ways to statistically reduce the likelihood of such an encounter. there will always be corruption out there in the world, and no matter how hard you come down upon it will exist. So, if the aggressive approach doesn't work or takes . . . 20 - 40 years unchallenged to work then perhaps reactionary measures are best utilized as well.
 
Why don't you take your little off topic post and create a poll for the rest of the idiots like you to take and then take it to Michael Medved and he can denote a month to giving you the right wing spin on the whole damn thing.

you are correct in one regard. Right Wing intellectualism is cornered, largely unvoiced, and relentlessly barraged and beaten. Of all the movements on the right I've seen we need one that focuses on the minds and engages in logic. We need to, as a group, make an effort to spread our ideas farther.
 
You don't understand how waking up next to somebody you didn't want to came up in a conversation about rape? Really? I think you're running out of excuses for your one sided assault.

ILA thanked it, I imagine because he more or less feels the same way. If that . . . pedantic attack is your last line of defense than were done here. The rape won't stop until you feminize the men (and then you'll only have women taking advantage of men and vv) or we all come together and figure this out.

You know, like the left always spouts off about? Community solutions involving action from everyone? Well, sans 'everybody does something', at least



You'll have to take that up with him. But I doubt he truly does.

In short, I think that although the raper should take the brunt of the blame, the victim should be aware that there are ways to statistically reduce the likelihood of such an encounter. there will always be corruption out there in the world, and no matter how hard you come down upon it will exist. So, if the aggressive approach doesn't work or takes . . . 20 - 40 years unchallenged to work then perhaps reactionary measures are best utilized as well.

"The rape won't stop until you feminize the men (and then you'll only have women taking advantage of men and vv)... ."

You cannot be serious.
 
I dont even notice it re: women... but I never see a single woman ever wish ass rape on anyone. Ever. Maybe they have, but I havent seen it. ON any forum.

OTOH, the men threaten it left and right. Ha.....what do they fear? And what are they curious about? Where are their minds focused and why? I mean....it's constant. Hmmmmmmm.
 
"The rape won't stop until you feminize the men (and then you'll only have women taking advantage of men and vv)... ."

You cannot be serious.

Rape is as old as humanity.
And men certainly do get 'raped'. Women certainly do try to coerce men into bed. Most may lack the raw strength, but they are hardly incapable of rape, esp as defined by modern laws in America.
 
Rape is as old as humanity.
And men certainly do get 'raped'. Women certainly do try to coerce men into bed. Most may lack the raw strength, but they are hardly incapable of rape, esp as defined by modern laws in America.

It's a shame you have such a low opinion of your own gender. You really think men can't learn not to rape?

Don't forget, there is also male on male rape. You aren't immune. But I do hope it never happens to you; if it does, I promise we won't blame you for being drunk, in an alley, or wearing tight jeans...
 
you are correct in one regard. Right Wing intellectualism is cornered, largely unvoiced, and relentlessly barraged and beaten. Of all the movements on the right I've seen we need one that focuses on the minds and engages in logic. We need to, as a group, make an effort to spread our ideas farther.

Maybe you all should invest in tractors and manure spreaders!
 
"The rape won't stop until you feminize the men (and then you'll only have women taking advantage of men and vv)... ."

You cannot be serious.

I knew he was gone when he started talking about waking up next to a woman he didn't like! I have known several men who did that every morning and all but two eventually got divorced!
 
I dont even notice it re: women... but I never see a single woman ever wish ass rape on anyone. Ever. Maybe they have, but I havent seen it. ON any forum.

OTOH, the men threaten it left and right. Ha.....what do they fear? And what are they curious about? Where are their minds focused and why? I mean....it's constant. Hmmmmmmm.

Me neither, that is because women don't have those kinds of desires or hatreds. One really has to wonder what makes men hate women the way some men do?
 
You don't understand how waking up next to somebody you didn't want to came up in a conversation about rape? Really? I think you're running out of excuses for your one sided assault.

ILA thanked it, I imagine because he more or less feels the same way. If that . . . pedantic attack is your last line of defense than were done here. The rape won't stop until you feminize the men (and then you'll only have women taking advantage of men and vv) or we all come together and figure this out.

You know, like the left always spouts off about? Community solutions involving action from everyone? Well, sans 'everybody does something', at least



You'll have to take that up with him. But I doubt he truly does.


In short, I think that although the raper should take the brunt of the blame, the victim should be aware that there are ways to statistically reduce the likelihood of such an encounter. there will always be corruption out there in the world, and no matter how hard you come down upon it will exist. So, if the aggressive approach doesn't work or takes . . . 20 - 40 years unchallenged to work then perhaps reactionary measures are best utilized as well.


ILA has been maklng posts about raping women here for about the last two weeks. Mostly to me, including posts saying that he hopes I get gang raped on the way home and so on. Some of it was pretty damn graphic. So he is either really fucking sick because he is making these threats and that isn't the way he feels, or he is really fucking sick because he is making those threats and that is the way he feels. Either way he is one perverted and twisted creep.

Let me ask you something about this woman that you woke up next to, did she force you to have sex with her and how exactly did that work? I have been on the receiving end of this shit and in each case the man begged me to come home with him. In each case. And in a couple of cases the poor stupid fools couldn't even perform once we got there and it was they who were embarrassed about it when they woke up in the morning. So I think you should probably tell this crap to your friends who don't know how this works, because I know.
 
So you in no way acknowledge the part the victim plays in encouraging this behavior? Amazing how people believe in free will and sexual liberation and yet when the disgusting results come about they decry it. Have cake, or eat it?

Rapists are indeed criminals, but I would think with all the sociology and society changing pogroms the left comes out with that the effects of this ugly culture on rape aren't studied.

Could you elaborate on how the victim contributes to their rape. I guess some would say if a guy and gal were making out and the guy gets excited and when she not willing to go further and he rapes her, it was her fault for kissing him and getting him excited. BULLSHIT

Look doesnt matter if shes teasing you dressed overly sexxy only a sick mutt goes the distance and rapes. There is no excuse to take a woman that does not give you that right.
Real men dont rape women nor do they have to., only sick degenerates. The average guy wouldnt be able to perform if he was violently raping a woman and would never consider it no matter what the circumstances.
 
I knew he was gone when he started talking about waking up next to a woman he didn't like! I have known several men who did that every morning and all but two eventually got divorced!

I had to laugh at that, honestly. Lack of self-discipline gets him laid. How did he think that admission was helping his argument?
 
I had to laugh at that, honestly. Lack of self-discipline gets him laid. How did he think that admission was helping his argument?

I don't know, one of the strangest things I have ever heard. And comparing that to rape was about as bizarre as anything I have heard. He obviously doesn't know a woman who was raped or he wouldn't have made such an incredible comparison. I couldn't believe it. I still can't! Some men just don't get it. I waiting for him to say how she put the knife to his throat but he never did.
 
Rape Culture is unfortunately what we have here at Just Plain Politics. It is OK to talk about rape, suggest women should be raped, hope that certain women are raped, joke about them being raped and generally depict those rapes in graphic terms. Has this stopped. Who knows the offenders posts have all been blocked so we can't tell if others are still enjoying his numerous rape fantasies. He and his several celebratory friends have all been blocked from commenting here. But I imagine they will compose their own thread making fun of rape as they generally do. This is a discussion of rape culture and the tendency still far too prevalent of blaming the victim. This practice has got to stop. One thing is certain women need to shun all men who play sports especially football players! Maybe that is the lesson here! Stay away from jocks!

What We Talk About When We Talk About Rape
Jessica Valenti on October 16, 2013 - 5:38 PM ET

Last year it was Steubenville, where two football players raped a girl while party-going bystanders looked on. Now it’s Maryville, a Missouri town where two girls—just 13 and 14 years old—were raped by older classmates who captured the attack on video. We know how this is going to play out: there will be outrage, there will be victim-blaming, there will be media attention and maybe even a court case. And then there will be another rape. There will always be another rape.

Because despite best intentions, too many people are making America a very comfortable place for rapists. The incredible work being done by feminists—work that’s made progress changing policy and shifting the culture—is consistently stymied by an ignorant, even if well-meaning, majority. If we want justice for sexual assault victims, Americans needs to get on board with feminists or move out of our way.

Though the statistics make it hard to be too optimistic—someone is assaulted every two minutes in the United States and one in ten young Americans has committed sexual violence—there is progress being made. The national conversation around rape is changing, in large part thanks to feminists online. ....

Yesterday, it was Slate’s Emily Yoffe, who argues that if girls want to avoid rape they shouldn’t drink so much. (Yoffe seems to think this is a novel and brave position, despite it’s being the central message young American women receive around sexual assault.) I agree there should be a conversation about the relationship between rape and drinking: We need to discuss the way that rapists use alcohol as a weapon to attack, and then discredit, their victims. But focusing on rapists is not nearly as popular as scolding young women.

Refusing to emphasize rapists’ role in rape is telling. Yoffe writes of a girl who “ends up being raped”—as if she tripped and fell into it. (Even more illuminating is the lesson she wants to pass on to her son is not to be the boy “who finds himself accused of raping a drunken classmate.”) It reminds me of a headline from years ago that read, “More Rapes Linked to Young Women on Drinking Binges.” Why not, “Rapists Attack Drunk Women”? This centering of women’s behavior is what allows rape culture to flourish.

When we make victims’ choices the focus of rape prevention, we make the world a safer place for rapists. It gives attackers what Thomas Macaulay Millar calls—in his excellent piece ‘Meet the Predators’—social license to operate. You know why rapists attack [and] rape women? Because they know the victim’s community and law enforcement will be less likely to believe them. When you tell a rape joke? A rapist thinks that you’re on their side! In ways big and small, we are making this easy on them.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176710/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-rape 
Stop typing, baby killer. Until you pervert heathens can come up with a moral reason for at-will shit canning of the human unborn, you'll get no sympathy for your pretended concern.
 
It's a shame you have such a low opinion of your own gender. You really think men can't learn not to rape?

Don't forget, there is also male on male rape. You aren't immune. But I do hope it never happens to you; if it does, I promise we won't blame you for being drunk, in an alley, or wearing tight jeans...

I have a rather poor picture of humanity, not just men. IMO, we have to be trained to do the right thing. We may instinctively know what is correct, we may know from our culture and society what is correct. But at the end of the day, unless we are taught we will lack discipline. And, ah, being drunk in an alley is perhaps a great example of putting yourself in compromising positions. Russian roulette much?

ILA has been maklng posts about raping women here for about the last two weeks. Mostly to me, including posts saying that he hopes I get gang raped on the way home and so on. Some of it was pretty damn graphic. So he is either really fucking sick because he is making these threats and that isn't the way he feels, or he is really fucking sick because he is making those threats and that is the way he feels. Either way he is one perverted and twisted creep.


I think ILA wants you banned. His personal disdain for you is not my concern, frankly.

Let me ask you something about this woman that you woke up next to, did she force you to have sex with her and how exactly did that work? I have been on the receiving end of this shit and in each case the man begged me to come home with him. In each case. And in a couple of cases the poor stupid fools couldn't even perform once we got there and it was they who were embarrassed about it when they woke up in the morning. So I think you should probably tell this crap to your friends who don't know how this works, because I know.

the particular woman I'm thinking of was a friend of a friend. A wild child, prone to radical rash decisions. Back when I was doing the whole frat thing I would hang out with the theatre kids by week, and the frat by weekend. she, being a theatre kid, was rejected by me multiple times. She didn't meet my standards, and I told her that we were only friends. Well, one night we went to the city, to a club, the theater kids and I. I got drunk on 7 dollar beers and shots. she walked me back to my room, because I was drunk enough to think the lights across the way was my dorm. In my room she convinced me to shower and . . . I woke up. She manipulated a situation in which I was hardly fit to walk, let alone make moral judgments.

As far as you love life, I'm sorry your boys couldn't perform. Not all of us are blessed with vitality.

you seem to think you can close this losing argument of yours with some personal mumbo jumbo. As I said before, you didn't come to this site to debate, and you didn't come post this thread to debate either. You wanted a pat on the head for posting this crap, didn't you girl?

Could you elaborate on how the victim contributes to their rape. I guess some would say if a guy and gal were making out and the guy gets excited and when she not willing to go further and he rapes her, it was her fault for kissing him and getting him excited. BULLSHIT

Look doesnt matter if shes teasing you dressed overly sexxy only a sick mutt goes the distance and rapes. There is no excuse to take a woman that does not give you that right.
Real men dont rape women nor do they have to., only sick degenerates. The average guy wouldnt be able to perform if he was violently raping a woman and would never consider it no matter what the circumstances.

I didn't say the average would. But, I think the average guy, under the appropriate circumstances, would. a little social lubrication and a little pressure and most people crack.

When I speak of women people contributing to their own rape I am speaking about more than just physically 'teasing'. They way they dress, their postures, looks, nonverbal gesturing. Everything you do elicits a response from somebody. But this isn't new. Many are content just to list grand things, like going to the party and drinking the alcohol; taking a drink from a stranger or letting a group of strangers lead you off somewhere with promises of candy, dressing like a harlot.

You can spout out all the morality you please,

But when you dress a certain way, you get certain attentions.
When you act a certain way, you attract certain attentions.
When you willingly throw caution into the wind and put your wellbeing into others hand's sometimes bad things happen.

Of course it doesn't excuse the crime. But if you didn't do everything you could to prevent it, or at least take reasonable precautions; obvious precautions, then you are part of the problem. What if instead of a terrifying night, it was an oil rig? What if safety precautions were left unmet, and a pipeline busted, spilling tons of oil into the ocean? What if? Would you not blame the one's responsible for the safety of that rig? Is that rig, your body, not worth protecting, or is 'having a fun, relaxing night' worth the risk?

I had to laugh at that, honestly. Lack of self-discipline gets him laid. How did he think that admission was helping his argument?

Right, and nobody ever lived a life they regretted, and then changed?


Could you elaborate on how the victim contributes to their rape. I guess some would say if a guy and gal were making out and the guy gets excited and when she not willing to go further and he rapes her, it was her fault for kissing him and getting him excited. BULLSHIT

Look doesnt matter if shes teasing you dressed overly sexxy only a sick mutt goes the distance and rapes. There is no excuse to take a woman that does not give you that right.
Real men dont rape women nor do they have to., only sick degenerates. The average guy wouldnt be able to perform if he was violently raping a woman and would never consider it no matter what the circumstances.

I didn't say the average would. But, I think the average guy, under the appropriate circumstances, would. a little social lubrication and a little pressure and most people crack.

When I speak of women people contributing to their own rape I am speaking about more than just physically 'teasing'. They way they dress, their postures, looks, nonverbal gesturing. Everything you do elicits a response from somebody. But this isn't new. Many are content just to list grand things, like going to the party and drinking the alcohol; taking a drink from a stranger or letting a group of strangers lead you off somewhere with promises of candy, dressing like a harlot.

You can spout out all the morality you please,

But when you dress a certain way, you get certain attentions.
When you act a certain way, you attract certain attentions.
When you willingly throw caution into the wind and put your wellbeing into others hand's sometimes bad things happen.

Of course it doesn't excuse the crime. But if you didn't do everything you could to prevent it, or at least take reasonable precautions; obvious precautions, then you are part of the problem. What if instead of a terrifying night, it was an oil rig? What if safety precautions were left unmet, and a pipeline busted, spilling tons of oil into the ocean? What if? Would you not blame the one's responsible for the safety of that rig? Is that rig, your body, not worth protecting, or is 'having a fun, relaxing night' worth the risk?

I had to laugh at that, honestly. Lack of self-discipline gets him laid. How did he think that admission was helping his argument?

Right, and nobody ever lived a life they regretted, and then changed?
 
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