Rape Culture

Rape is an act of violence, not sex. Men can control their sexual urges, millions do every day in the face of all sorts of women's fashions and actions. Are you claiming men are too weak to do so?

Well, we've progressed to the point where men can and do refrain from committing rape, but it's been a recent innovation as humanity largely condoned it throughout human history. Now, that said, we're still pretty fucking pathetic and animalistic as a sex...
 
Well, we've progressed to the point where men can and do refrain from committing rape, but it's been a recent innovation as humanity largely condoned it throughout human history. Now, that said, we're still pretty fucking pathetic and animalistic as a sex...

"Condone" as in the same way as much of humanity also condoned slavery?

It's not news that women were treated as property, chattel, slaves, through much of human history. (Slaves: read some Pearl S. Buck on China). And you could legally and supposedly morally do whatever you wanted with your property.
 
Well, it's weird to realize that, because I know what it feels like to feel strong emotions about women, and to step back and realize that it was "okay" to treat them like that is just one more reason why I often can't take humanity very seriously. Now, it's still weird to go around and socialize in male circles, and witness the kind of behavior many put on... :(
 
In your moral world then rape is acceptable because abortion is legal! Is that it? Wow! That's an incredibly ignorant and irrational thing to say!
In my moral world, rape is unacceptable and so is abortion. In your moral world, everything's acceptable as long as it suits your mood.
 
And you're trying to call this a rape. You really are completely and irredeemably fucked up! No woman or man for that matter enjoys rape. None! You should probably read a few accounts of rape before you ever even think about making this ignorant comparison again because clearly you have no fucking idea what rape is! Absolutely none whatsoever. If she had held a knife to your throat and stuck you every time you moves you might have had some idea but I still don't think you would have got it because you and the ignorant bastards who liked your little narrative are all together mentally twisted and have nothing of worth to add to any discussion of rape because you all have no fucking idea what rape consists of. I mean how many times have you attempted suicide as a result of your traumatic night with this woman who you think raped you? How many times? How much therapy have you been in. Are you afraid of women. Are you afraid to be alone? I mean exactly what in hell do you think this is all about? It is all one big joke? And you actually had the nerve to insinuate that we weren't taking your ideas seriously. How seriously can we take anyone who thinks that consensual sex is rape. And rape is a relationship. Not too seriously. But you have demonstrated a high level of absolute ignorance which is why youe two ignorant friends here likes your ignorant statement!

How dare you tell me how I felt about it! Just because I defend myself from your associates attacks does not mean I enjoyed it. It was a disaster to me, not just because of the social implications. And what about STDs? You have no clue what it felt like having to explain to all of my weekday friends that I slept with her, and that I didn't plan to pursue a relationship. What it felt to defend myself from her 'defenders', people like you that assume they have everything figured out, what it felt like to have to listen to the jibs of the frat. You only assume, and pretend. Clown.

And you're trying to call this a rape. You really are completely and irredeemably fucked up! No woman or man for that matter enjoys rape. None! You should probably read a few accounts of rape before you ever even think about making this ignorant comparison again because clearly you have no fucking idea what rape is! Absolutely none whatsoever.

Fucked up? Like trying to change the world and do nothing to change yourself? You're sitting here telling the world that its their fault rape happens and that women, because let's face it, you don't seem to think rape happens to men, don't need to moderate their behavior! You're trying to force your nasty little one sided opinion upon us all, and then have the nerve to insinuate that I'm the one who has no clue? Do you think I haven't read stories? Fuck you if you don't think I understand what rape is, what it looks like, or if I haven't seen it firsthand. I give up on you; you're just here to spread your filthy doctrine.
 
Okay, let's take your comments one by one so you can see what's getting everyone fired up.

You start by telling about something that happened on campus.

Dionaea: And, also, do you think I as a man have never woken up next to a girl I wish I hadn't?

Then you further explain the situation by trashing the woman and saying she manipulated you while you were shit-faced.

Dionaea: the particular woman I'm thinking of was a friend of a friend. A wild child, prone to radical rash decisions. Back when I was doing the whole frat thing I would hang out with the theatre kids by week, and the frat by weekend. she, being a theatre kid, was rejected by me multiple times. She didn't meet my standards, and I told her that we were only friends. Well, one night we went to the city, to a club, the theater kids and I. I got drunk on 7 dollar beers and shots. she walked me back to my room, because I was drunk enough to think the lights across the way was my dorm. In my room she convinced me to shower and . . . I woke up. She manipulated a situation in which I was hardly fit to walk, let alone make moral judgments.

After which I interjected a comment suggesting that maybe nothing happened, given that you were "hardly fit to walk."

Christie: Cheer up Dionaea, I'm not judging you, especially after reading the above. Because it seems to me that if you were blackout drunk, you probably didn't rise to the occasion anyway.

And you replied telling me how wrong I was.

Dionaea: Quiet contrary. She had made me eggs on my coffee burner and after she left I found my bros waiting for me in the lobby, big grin on their face. They said I was loud.

After numerous people criticized you, you replied.

Dionaea: How dare you tell me how I felt about it! Just because I defend myself from your associates attacks does not mean I enjoyed it. It was a disaster to me, not just because of the social implications. And what about STDs? You have no clue what it felt like having to explain to all of my weekday friends that I slept with her, and that I didn't plan to pursue a relationship. What it felt to defend myself from her 'defenders', people like you that assume they have everything figured out, what it felt like to have to listen to the jibs of the frat. You only assume, and pretend. Clown.

You took a lot of words to explain how awful the girl was, how drunk you were, how embarrassed you were in front of your buddies. But you also said, contrary to my suggestion, that you were not only able to rise to the occasion, it was so great people heard you from other locations.

You're not the only person who ever had a drunken one-night stand. But the way I see it, you weren't manipulated, assaulted or anything other than a willing participant who woke up the next morning with huge regrets. Plus, you're still dissing the girl and for what? Because in spite of yourself you had a super interlude you both enjoyed?

All I'm saying is that your situation didn't come close to assault and your morning-after regrets don't change things.
 
So, what you are ultimately saying, is that because overwhelming physical force was used, and because I really liked it, I was not a victim? Be sure to say that so I can directly quote you.


Im not crying rape here, I am explaining that there is in fact two sides to every story.


EDIT: now that I think about it . . . why are you going out of your way to defend this girl?
 
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So, what you are ultimately saying, is that because overwhelming physical force was used, and because I really liked it, I was not a victim? Be sure to say that so I can directly quote you.


Im not crying rape here, I am explaining that there is in fact two sides to every story.


EDIT: now that I think about it . . . why are you going out of your way to defend this girl?

Sounds to me a close to rape experience, as you tell it.

Perhaps there should be a law, 'blow above .08, no rape.' In effect, no drinking and sex.
 
So, what you are ultimately saying, is that because overwhelming physical force was used, and because I really liked it, I was not a victim? Be sure to say that so I can directly quote you.

Im not crying rape here, I am explaining that there is in fact two sides to every story.

EDIT: now that I think about it . . . why are you going out of your way to defend this girl?


God you are fucked up! I can't even begin to describe how fucked up you are. You really are a classic case of a person who went to college and doesn't have a damn clue. Nothing! You're gonna lecture me. Get the fuck away from me. One of my best friends was raped in her back yard as she walked from her carport across the yard to her house. I have been raped, you ignorant bastard and you are going to tell me that consensual unprotected sex that you evidently enjoyed and then regreted in the light of day is rape. Or an example of two sides to every story or that is an example of someone raping you. You are one fucked up dude. I hope you pull your fucking head out of your ass someday but I seriously doubt that you will. I don't think you are even capable. Consensual sex is not rape no matter how much you regret it. And no matter what STDs you think you might have as a result of it. That is why there are doctor's! Get over your fucking self; you really aren't that damn important. And the ugliest part of your body is your damn mind!
 
Sounds to me a close to rape experience, as you tell it.

Perhaps there should be a law, 'blow above .08, no rape.' In effect, no drinking and sex.

How close? Like a little bit pregnant? He's nothing but a damn whiner. Some woman wanted him and it freaked him and took the initiative and it freaked him out because in his 19th century mindset women don't get to make the first move, and because she evidently did he is now trying to pretend that this represents 2 sides to every story, as if his story is relevant enough to have two sides. If he had been raped, I mean actually raped with a weapon and force and some kind of trauma it might be relevant and his feelings about it might count for something but this is so much bullshit and his story is so intractable it is nearly unbelievable, he was so drunk she took advantage of him, until his masculinity and masculine pride kicks in and then it is a different story, then he was a powerhouse yelling and screaming and fully enjoying himself waking up all his friends and so on, until the next morning when he considered STDs and how he had been "manipulated" and then it was rape or no it wasn't it was just told to show that "there are two sides to every story." And as this point I would give anything to talk to the woman for the other side, because I bet her version is so different it isn't even funny and I bet she didn't manipulate him at all. But no matter from everything he said here now it certainly sounds like he was a pretty damn willing participant! Of course we do need that other side to know for sure.
 
How close? Like a little bit pregnant? He's nothing but a damn whiner. Some woman wanted him and it freaked him and took the initiative and it freaked him out because in his 19th century mindset women don't get to make the first move, and because she evidently did he is now trying to pretend that this represents 2 sides to every story, as if his story is relevant enough to have two sides. If he had been raped, I mean actually raped with a weapon and force and some kind of trauma it might be relevant so, that is what rape is? and his feelings about it might count for something but this is so much bullshit and his story is so intractable it is nearly unbelievable, he was so drunk she took advantage of him, until his masculinity and masculine pride kicks in and then it is a different story, then he was a powerhouse yelling and screaming and fully enjoying himself waking up all his friends and so on, until the next morning when he considered STDs and how he had been "manipulated" and then it was rape or no it wasn't it was just told to show that "there are two sides to every story." And as this point I would give anything to talk to the woman for the other side, because I bet her version is so different it isn't even funny and I bet she didn't manipulate him at all. But no matter from everything he said here now it certainly sounds like he was a pretty damn willing participant! Of course we do need that other side to know for sure.

So the woman gets to define it?

I'm just trying to follow along...
 
So, what you are ultimately saying, is that because overwhelming physical force was used, and because I really liked it, I was not a victim? Be sure to say that so I can directly quote you.

Im not crying rape here, I am explaining that there is in fact two sides to every story.

EDIT: now that I think about it . . . why are you going out of your way to defend this girl?

You never once said overwhelming physical force was used. I went back and re-read your posts, so don't go changing your story now. In fact, these were your words: "You have no clue what it felt like having to explain to all of my weekday friends that I slept with her..." "Sleeping with" is a whole lot different than being overcome and attacked.

I'm defending the girl because I feel bad for the way you're dissing her over your shared sex. Truthfully, I'm a little annoyed with her also, for continuing to chase after someone who showed his disdain for her. But that's college. I hope this was a lesson to the girl also. There is a guy out there who will appreciate her for all her qualities and make her realize that moping over a guy who never wanted her was just a colossal waste of time.
 
Why wouldn't you tell someone that? Are you honestly saying it's perfectly acceptable to just jump out in the middle of street, completely oblivious to your surroundings? Do you tell your kids that?

Read her comment. She said: "when a person gets hit by a car in a pedestrian area do you blame the victim when they wake up..." Nothing about jumping out in the middle of the street. Of course everyone should practice traffic safety, including the car approaching a pedestrian area where pedestrians have the right of way.
 
One question, Tart.

If I found a drunk girl, or got a woman drunk, and then fucked her, would you call that rape if she woke up in the morning?

Get your fucking emotions off of me, you're nothing but a subjective, inflammatory feminist,

You started a thread on rape, and I have beaten back your failed ideas every step of the way. With my job done, I will have limited interest in this thread. Consensual my ass. If a man had done this to a woman you'd be in a rage.
 
If I found a drunk girl, or got a woman drunk, and then fucked her, would you call that rape if she woke up in the morning?

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If a homeless guy found you drunk and unconscious in an alley and took your wallet....were you robbed?
 
Did you report your attack to the campus authorities? If not, why not?

dear campus police;

I am a 18 year old out of state student here on a full academic scholarship. Last night I went to the party of the frat I was rushing and I got plastered, snorted coke as per fraternity orders, and then got walked back to my dry dorm by a woman who then proceeded to have sex with me. What exactly transpired, I don't know, but when I woke up she was making eggs for me on my burner, exactly as you told us not to do. I feel violated, and more importantly, as a man I feel that the college that in 3 years will experience a spree of violent rapes and muggingsis not doing enough to prevent this sort of action.

sincerely, Fuscosco.

P.S. My roommate dormmate is a club promoter who has a large stash of weed in his closet. Please search our rooms.
 
One question, Tart.

If I found a drunk girl, or got a woman drunk, and then fucked her, would you call that rape if she woke up in the morning?

Get your fucking emotions off of me, you're nothing but a subjective, inflammatory feminist,

You started a thread on rape, and I have beaten back your failed ideas every step of the way. With my job done, I will have limited interest in this thread. Consensual my ass. If a man had done this to a woman you'd be in a rage.




why would she not wake up?


what exactly are you saying about yourself here?
 
I have a rather poor picture of humanity, not just men. IMO, we have to be trained to do the right thing. We may instinctively know what is correct, we may know from our culture and society what is correct. But at the end of the day, unless we are taught we will lack discipline. And, ah, being drunk in an alley is perhaps a great example of putting yourself in compromising positions. Russian roulette much?




I think ILA wants you banned. His personal disdain for you is not my concern, frankly.



the particular woman I'm thinking of was a friend of a friend. A wild child, prone to radical rash decisions. Back when I was doing the whole frat thing I would hang out with the theatre kids by week, and the frat by weekend. she, being a theatre kid, was rejected by me multiple times. She didn't meet my standards, and I told her that we were only friends. Well, one night we went to the city, to a club, the theater kids and I. I got drunk on 7 dollar beers and shots. she walked me back to my room, because I was drunk enough to think the lights across the way was my dorm. In my room she convinced me to shower and . . . I woke up. She manipulated a situation in which I was hardly fit to walk, let alone make moral judgments.

As far as you love life, I'm sorry your boys couldn't perform. Not all of us are blessed with vitality.

you seem to think you can close this losing argument of yours with some personal mumbo jumbo. As I said before, you didn't come to this site to debate, and you didn't come post this thread to debate either. You wanted a pat on the head for posting this crap, didn't you girl?



I didn't say the average would. But, I think the average guy, under the appropriate circumstances, would. a little social lubrication and a little pressure and most people crack.

When I speak of women people contributing to their own rape I am speaking about more than just physically 'teasing'. They way they dress, their postures, looks, nonverbal gesturing. Everything you do elicits a response from somebody. But this isn't new. Many are content just to list grand things, like going to the party and drinking the alcohol; taking a drink from a stranger or letting a group of strangers lead you off somewhere with promises of candy, dressing like a harlot.

You can spout out all the morality you please,

But when you dress a certain way, you get certain attentions.
When you act a certain way, you attract certain attentions.
When you willingly throw caution into the wind and put your wellbeing into others hand's sometimes bad things happen.

Of course it doesn't excuse the crime. But if you didn't do everything you could to prevent it, or at least take reasonable precautions; obvious precautions, then you are part of the problem. What if instead of a terrifying night, it was an oil rig? What if safety precautions were left unmet, and a pipeline busted, spilling tons of oil into the ocean? What if? Would you not blame the one's responsible for the safety of that rig? Is that rig, your body, not worth protecting, or is 'having a fun, relaxing night' worth the risk?



Right, and nobody ever lived a life they regretted, and then changed?




I didn't say the average would. But, I think the average guy, under the appropriate circumstances, would. a little social lubrication and a little pressure and most people crack.

When I speak of women people contributing to their own rape I am speaking about more than just physically 'teasing'. They way they dress, their postures, looks, nonverbal gesturing. Everything you do elicits a response from somebody. But this isn't new. Many are content just to list grand things, like going to the party and drinking the alcohol; taking a drink from a stranger or letting a group of strangers lead you off somewhere with promises of candy, dressing like a harlot.

You can spout out all the morality you please,

But when you dress a certain way, you get certain attentions.
When you act a certain way, you attract certain attentions.
When you willingly throw caution into the wind and put your wellbeing into others hand's sometimes bad things happen.

Of course it doesn't excuse the crime. But if you didn't do everything you could to prevent it, or at least take reasonable precautions; obvious precautions, then you are part of the problem. What if instead of a terrifying night, it was an oil rig? What if safety precautions were left unmet, and a pipeline busted, spilling tons of oil into the ocean? What if? Would you not blame the one's responsible for the safety of that rig? Is that rig, your body, not worth protecting, or is 'having a fun, relaxing night' worth the risk?



Right, and nobody ever lived a life they regretted, and then changed?




this is why cons are cons
 
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